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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Coreywms]
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06/17/11 04:35 PM
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Scruffy Fisher
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caroline.nosworthy@dallascityhall.com
This is Kadane's assistant. Feel free to email her. I think the more response that is made to the lake the more he would look into it....especially with having re-election as something in the back of their head.
Plus with this being the 100th year of the lake you'd think it might help the candidate with PR
Last edited by Scruffy Fisher; 06/18/11 07:57 PM.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Scruffy Fisher]
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06/18/11 08:20 AM
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It sure couldn't hurt Scruffy. There is no reason for this law to be so Draconian. So what...kids can't go catch polliwogs and crawdads down at the creek now? You can't dangle you legs in the water to cool them on a hot summer day? This is Bullcrap is what it is. It is civilian regulation by whim.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Duckcreek Davy]
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06/19/11 06:42 PM
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It's arbitrary and silly, but I believe the majority of the police patrolling the lake WILL write you a ticket. I even contacted city councilman SHEFFIE KADANE, who represents part of the WRL area and agreed it is weird and looked into it for me. (I like this guy, he really did try to help and put me in touch with the police chief.) My original contention was against the statutes pertaining specifically to WRL as I didn't see any reference to wading, but the chief quickly informed me of the city code I posted above that applies to ALL of the city. I said thank you for the info, and politely hung up. There was no point in continuing the inquiry. Now of course it is obvious that this law was put in place for a reason. The city might have you believe it is a public safety issue. But I assure you nobody is getting tickets are going to jail for wading in the hundreds of miles of "public water" that course thru Big D. The cops aren't staking out the Trinity for waders and their outlaw subset...the tubers. The city of Dallas could give a rats arse about your safety or public health in regards to this issue, The jet fleas and para-sailors will be crashing about with reckless abandon on one of their city owned lakes here in about an hour. 200 HP bass-boat tourney guys will be planing out at 60-70 mph heading for "Their Spot" as well. Whiterock will be covered with sailboats and other preferred boats, with crews of young healthy, thoughtful people gleefully plying the lovely urban retreat. Now of course many of these folks will not be wearing a PPD. In fact practically none of the sailors and rowers will be wearing a device, why should they right? They are elite in their healthy lifestyles and fitness regimen, They must meet strict guidelines to become members of the rowing clubs. These are athletes and their feet never...ever touch the waters of the lake. Never for access or upon removal of their vessels. They just....don't....do it.
Oddly, the only person you might see with a U.S. Coast Guard approved flotation device firmly in place at all times, and in my case 2 (including my life vest)...I repeat the only person.....could well be the float tube fisherman.
The well healed residents along the shoreline don't care for fishermen very much. They will do anything they can to keep us off THEIR lake. A few well crafted laws and dually appointed lawmakers and law enforcers see to it that the Hoi-Palloi are relegated to the backwaters and quarry pits where they are more suited. No,man. The phrase is "well-heeled". Please stay out of the neighborhood.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: FZ1]
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06/21/11 07:38 PM
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I use my fish cat personal pontoons out there 20 times a year or more. If walking in the water is illegal, launch from a floating dock. Then your feet will never hit the bottom. I have never had an issue fishing there, even when I had a float tube. I have only heard of that one dude, a few years back getting a ticket. Never heard the outcome though. I'm sure the cop wouldn't come to the court date for that.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: FZ1]
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06/23/11 09:09 AM
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No,man. The phrase is "well-heeled". Please stay out of the neighborhood. what a heal.... Too late, My cardboard lean-to is already in place. We are having the big family reunion/fishing contest/carp- frying jamboree and all night Ho-down this weekend right out in front of your house.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Scruffy Fisher]
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06/29/11 08:09 PM
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SEC. 31-1. SWIMMING IN CERTAIN WATER PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if, with the intent to swim, bathe, wade, or go in the water, he enters the water of a river, stream, pond, or watercourse within the city, either natural or artificial, whether public or private. (b) It is an exception to the application of this section if the body of water is a public, semi-public, or private swimming pool which meets the standards of the laws of the state and Chapter 43A of this code. (c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the person was engaged in the performance of his official duties as an officer or employee of the city; (2) the person was engaged in a bona fide effort to rescue or recover a human being or property from the water; (3) the person was engaged in dredging or other water improvement or construction work authorized by the city council or the park and recreation department; or (4) the water was designated by official signs showing that wading or going into the water in the specific designated area is authorized by the rules and regulations of the park and recreation department of the city. (Ord. 14971)
I called the city parks and they could not provide me with a hard copy or a link to the laws, "they just heard this and that". I did some digging in the city codes and came up with this law that they have. There is the word "intent" before swimming , bathe or wade. It would not be my intent to swim,bathe or wade, just tube.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: atexx2]
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06/29/11 08:55 PM
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That is why we have the court system in place. Most laws can be applied to either side of the fence. If you were cited for tubing, I am willing to bet it would be thrown out in Dallas County. I have tubed it with no problems in the past. Can't say some LEO's would not cite you though.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: HERROUTDOORS]
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06/29/11 11:22 PM
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I've been going back and forth on dropping my tube in white rock after reading this post. I'm just going to tube it and see what happens....the fishing is to good there to pass the opportunity up. I'll post a report after a I drop it in....let's all just tube it and see what happens.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Frank4747]
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06/30/11 01:04 AM
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Scruffy Fisher
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After emailing councilman Kadane I never heard anything back....Would any sort of petition to change the wording even be worthwhile?
The way they can cite you is they considering any body part in the water "wading" is my understanding.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Scruffy Fisher]
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07/05/11 02:55 AM
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okay so can someone PM me an answer? cuz i wanna go tubin to!!
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: James West6]
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07/05/11 07:42 PM
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I don't think anyone knows the answer. I called they parks dept. and they sure don't know. I have yet to email the city attorney.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Scruffy Fisher]
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07/08/11 04:43 AM
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Does anyone know if putting a tube in White Rock Lake is allowed? Since that is the place I can fish the most it will be a dealbreaker for looking at purchasing a tube or a yak for me.
I saw a previous post where a ticket was issued a few years ago to some tubing the lake. Wow, I never realized there was an issue with tubes at WRL I've been on the fence for a while on getting a tube and actually caught my personal best largemouth bass (20 inches) at WRL this year and had really been looking forward to the day I had a tube to put in the water there. I've seen guys out there wearing waders and plenty of kayaks on the water but never a tube. I noticed you mentioned getting a tube or a yak and wanted to mention the White Rock Lake Paddle Company, I've been wanting to give them a try but it's a little expensive ($15-$20 an hour) unless you do a pre-paid deal which I wasn't aware of till I just looked up their website to post the link here. http://www.whiterockpaddle.com/This thread has been very informative, thanks for everyone's efforts to contact the local authorities for clarification.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: atexx2]
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07/09/11 02:52 PM
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Who would be the one to discuss the "code" with? The code enforcement dept or the council member for this area?
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
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08/21/11 11:53 PM
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I've watched "Crazy Ray"(Dallas Cowboys Mascot)years ago pull up and get one of about 50 rod and reels out of his trunk,put on his waders, and wade around those reeds and catch alot of big crappie.As far as I know,the police never bothered him,infact, we all used to enjoy watching him. He just ignored all the snakes and turtles that came around him.A person could learn alot from him,very nice and friendly guy.RIP Crazy Ray.
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Re: White Rock Tube Allowed?
[Re: Sling Blade]
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08/22/11 11:12 AM
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I've watched "Crazy Ray"(Dallas Cowboys Mascot)years ago pull up and get one of about 50 rod and reels out of his trunk,put on his waders, and wade around those reeds and catch alot of big crappie.As far as I know,the police never bothered him,infact, we all used to enjoy watching him. He just ignored all the snakes and turtles that came around him.A person could learn alot from him,very nice and friendly guy.RIP Crazy Ray. Ray was a cool guy!!! The key words here might be "years ago". Something has happened to cause Dallas to be so anal about wading/tubing in WWL. 
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