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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: bcat65]
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06/06/11 12:40 PM
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Mark Cav
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Last Friday, I called Judy Pierce-BRA -Public Relations office,to find out if bill passed. Judy said yes and its on Gov. Perry desk waiting to be signed,vetoed or just go away.Does not know the details but as far as she knows it just from PK to Grandbury.John Graves Senic River.As far as Alice Walton of Walmart - Waltons,MineralWells,being behind this, only a rumor as far as she knows. A friend from Graham,Tx told me Walton was behind this because of a confratation she had with Airboat and lost.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Mark Cav]
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06/06/11 12:45 PM
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LoneStarCarper
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So is there any conformation that it was the Walton family or where just an easy bad guy to pin this on?
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Dustin28]
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06/06/11 01:01 PM
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shanedaviesguide.com
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The squeaky wheel always gets the grease. It's just a matter of time.
Airboaters are falling more and more into the minority status in this instance. Unfortunately for them, minorities rarely if ever rule.
The BRA/TP&WD were trying to get decible level ristrictions on the Upper as far back as the mid 90's.
This is a change that has been looming for decades and is one of the contributing factors in selling my airboat in 97 and evolving into a 100% paddlecraft guide service.
Like it or not, this is only the beginning. Personally, I'd like to see a H.P./motor restriction for the entire Middle/Upper.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: shanedaviesguide.com]
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06/07/11 11:55 AM
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Mark Cav
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BRA board meetings At Graham or Mineral Wells, should have the minuites from the meeting. Not sure where they have them. My friend in Graham goes to the Meetings so I assume thats where he heard this.Dont know if it is public Info. or not?
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Mark Cav]
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06/07/11 11:58 AM
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Mark Cav
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BRA, Public Relations Office ,Waco,Tx 1-800-268-8190.Ask for Judy Pierce.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Mark Cav]
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06/07/11 02:33 PM
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Jerry Hamon
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Minutes of an open session will be public record.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: greggtex]
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06/07/11 06:48 PM
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Droyhef
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I run rivers a lot with a power boat, I speak from experience.
*don't try to argue the point that they shouldn't be going that fast *to those of you that have actually been on a river when an airboat or a power boat is approaching you its not like you can not hear it, I humbly suggest moving I understand that you have the right to be there just as much as they do, but you also have just as much obligation to be courteous as they do. * If you hear a train coming you don't sit in the middle of the tracks and try to argue the point of who is right at the time. *big boats don't stop on a dime, and in a bend they can't see you in the way which is why I suggest taking action first
All are here because of their different views, and to say someone shouldn't argue their point???? Then what are you doing? You suggest others move out of your way? Yep, that's the way to handle it. Airboats are the KING, so all others should move:boats, canoes, kayaks, jonboats, rafts, etc... The train comment-are you really serious here? wow! all I can say If this one has to be 'argued' then we get crossing arms, lights, and 'train/airboat' quiet zones. Stopping on a dime-again, I guess the boats, rafts, kayaks, canoes, and jonboats are the problem here, not the airboats. come on To suggest, almost demand, that others do something first is kinda hmmmm, trying to say it nicely here, expecting too much I guess. Because you are loud, others should 'take action'. I'm sorry, have owned a boat for years, just bought a kayak, so can't use my experience with it here, but your arguments are not holding too much water for me. We're all here together. I have a hard time when certain rights are being looked at for banning, and would like to hear and see more on this topic before votes are cast, but we have to all look at this together and consider it, not just from one side. When you take a post out of context to make your point it makes your point weak. You "quasi" quoted my post after modifying it to fit your response. I openly admitted that I was using a less than perfect analogy, nor was my intention to say power boaters rights supersede those of kayakers or any other group. I also stated that I will not blow by people because like everyone else I hate it when its done to me. My point was that sometimes being right doesn't negate the necessity of the use of prudence on your part. Another hypothetical example, again not perfect please try to fill in the blanks: Motorists are required by law to yield the right of way to pedestrians, without regard to the location of said pedestrian. If I am a pedestrian, I should understand that while the law requires motorists to yield me the right of way it would not be prudent for me to stand in the middle of the road and expect all the motorists to avoid me. End example. I understand that it is illegal to jaywalk, that the law has penalties for pedestrians when they cross the road in an unsafe manner. That has nothing to do with my my point, my point is that the exercise of prudence should come into play here more so than who is right or wrong. This is especially true here because in this instance, both groups are right on some of their points. We are all going to have bad experiences when we interact with others regardless of where or what circumstances surround us. True enough, this bill was aimed at one group of people in an isolated area. Again, my concern is more with the precedent and how it is being enacted. Some of you have suggested an all out ban for power boats of all kinds on rivers and small waters. I do not have a problem with speed limits on smaller waters and especially private lakes(they are private after all). However, I do take issue with rivers and I have a vested interest in this. With regard to the distance between and the general lack of public access to rivers I do not think banning power boats is a good choice. Generally, there are 15-50 miles by water between access points on rivers, substantially more by land. Without the use of power boats that immediately restricts access to only portions lying downstream of public access, and further restricts access to only those willing to spend enough time to travel between two access points. Since it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to travel by paddle craft or small outboard 20-50 miles upstream to reach a desired location then the implementation of a ban on power boats would effectively close access to those portions of navigable rivers lying upstream and beyond reasonable paddling distance. The reality is that many of these areas are only accessible by air boat or other power boats due to the lack of public access or the funding that would be needed at the state level to create it, river boat ramp maintenance is a constant struggle. I am not interested in creating additional public access, the lack of it is one of the best things going for preservation anyway, leaving access difficult is a good thing in my opinion. If you have never traveled far beyond the easy access to one of our many Texas rivers, I suggest doing so, I think it would help you appreciate both sides of this argument more.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: Droyhef]
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06/07/11 06:57 PM
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ChuChu1
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I run rivers a lot with a power boat, I speak from experience.
*don't try to argue the point that they shouldn't be going that fast *to those of you that have actually been on a river when an airboat or a power boat is approaching you its not like you can not hear it, I humbly suggest moving I understand that you have the right to be there just as much as they do, but you also have just as much obligation to be courteous as they do. * If you hear a train coming you don't sit in the middle of the tracks and try to argue the point of who is right at the time. *big boats don't stop on a dime, and in a bend they can't see you in the way which is why I suggest taking action first
All are here because of their different views, and to say someone shouldn't argue their point???? Then what are you doing? You suggest others move out of your way? Yep, that's the way to handle it. Airboats are the KING, so all others should move:boats, canoes, kayaks, jonboats, rafts, etc... The train comment-are you really serious here? wow! all I can say If this one has to be 'argued' then we get crossing arms, lights, and 'train/airboat' quiet zones. Stopping on a dime-again, I guess the boats, rafts, kayaks, canoes, and jonboats are the problem here, not the airboats. come on To suggest, almost demand, that others do something first is kinda hmmmm, trying to say it nicely here, expecting too much I guess. Because you are loud, others should 'take action'. I'm sorry, have owned a boat for years, just bought a kayak, so can't use my experience with it here, but your arguments are not holding too much water for me. We're all here together. I have a hard time when certain rights are being looked at for banning, and would like to hear and see more on this topic before votes are cast, but we have to all look at this together and consider it, not just from one side. When you take a post out of context to make your point it makes your point weak. You "quasi" quoted my post after modifying it to fit your response. I openly admitted that I was using a less than perfect analogy, nor was my intention to say power boaters rights supersede those of kayakers or any other group. I also stated that I will not blow by people because like everyone else I hate it when its done to me. My point was that sometimes being right doesn't negate the necessity of the use of prudence on your part. Another hypothetical example, again not perfect please try to fill in the blanks: Motorists are required by law to yield the right of way to pedestrians, without regard to the location of said pedestrian. If I am a pedestrian, I should understand that while the law requires motorists to yield me the right of way it would not be prudent for me to stand in the middle of the road and expect all the motorists to avoid me. End example. I understand that it is illegal to jaywalk, that the law has penalties for pedestrians when they cross the road in an unsafe manner. That has nothing to do with my my point, my point is that the exercise of prudence should come into play here more so than who is right or wrong. This is especially true here because in this instance, both groups are right on some of their points. We are all going to have bad experiences when we interact with others regardless of where or what circumstances surround us. True enough, this bill was aimed at one group of people in an isolated area. Again, my concern is more with the precedent and how it is being enacted. Some of you have suggested an all out ban for power boats of all kinds on rivers and small waters. I do not have a problem with speed limits on smaller waters and especially private lakes(they are private after all). However, I do take issue with rivers and I have a vested interest in this. With regard to the distance between and the general lack of public access to rivers I do not think banning power boats is a good choice. Generally, there are 15-50 miles by water between access points on rivers, substantially more by land. Without the use of power boats that immediately restricts access to only portions lying downstream of public access, and further restricts access to only those willing to spend enough time to travel between two access points. Since it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to travel by paddle craft or small outboard 20-50 miles upstream to reach a desired location then the implementation of a ban on power boats would effectively close access to those portions of navigable rivers lying upstream and beyond reasonable paddling distance. The reality is that many of these areas are only accessible by air boat or other power boats due to the lack of public access or the funding that would be needed at the state level to create it, river boat ramp maintenance is a constant struggle. I am not interested in creating additional public access, the lack of it is one of the best things going for preservation anyway, leaving access difficult is a good thing in my opinion. If you have never traveled far beyond the easy access to one of our many Texas rivers, I suggest doing so, I think it would help you appreciate both sides of this argument more. I'll use one sentenance from your post. And it is the most profound statement that has been made thus far: True enough, this bill was aimed at one group of people in an isolated area. Again, my concern is more with the precedent and how it is being enacted.
Snowflakes and entitled brats will be the doom of America!
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: ChuChu1]
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06/07/11 09:34 PM
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KG68
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 I Googled "profound Statement" and found some real funnies. Put the saddle on the stove, Mable. We'll ride the range together. Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam, and I'll show you a smelly old house. She was a printer's daughter and definitely not my type. He put a resistor on the stove. It was ohm, ohm, on the range. A rubber band pistol was confiscated from algebra class, because it was a weapon of math disruption. No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery. A dog gave birth to puppies near the road and was cited for littering. Two silk worms had a race. They ended up in a tie. A hole has been found in the nudist camp wall. The police are looking into it. A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' The soldier who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran. When cannibals ate a missionary they got a taste of religion. Okay so I thought they were funny. 
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: KG68]
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06/09/11 01:44 AM
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catfishcpr
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I bought an airboat a while back and mostly run the red river. I seldom see anyone where I go & when I do I try to get as far from them as the river allows. I bought an airboat to mostly get away from rude people on the lakes. None of these rude people were in air boats. The water is getting crowded people seem to get ruder everyday.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: catfishcpr]
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06/20/11 03:01 PM
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ChuChu1
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TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME:
Pursuant to Article IV, Section 14, of the Texas Constitution, I, Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, do hereby disapprove of and veto Senate Bill No. 408 as passed by the Eighty-Second Texas Legislature, Regular Session, because of the following objections:
Senate Bill 408 includes a provision that would prohibit the use of boats or other crafts that use an aircraft-type propeller for propulsion on approximately 113 miles of the John Graves Scenic Riverway. Attempting to balance private property rights with water conservation and recreational use of this riverway is laudable. However, I am vetoing Senate Bill 408 at the request of the bill's sponsor, and I am directing the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) to study and report the potential effects of a prohibition of the commercial or recreational use of these types of boats on the riverway. This review will be part of TCEQ's biennial report to the legislature.
Since the Eighty-Second Texas Legislature, Regular Session, by its adjournment has prevented the return of this bill, I am filing these objections in the office of the Secretary of State and giving notice thereof by this public proclamation according to the aforementioned constitutional provision.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have signed my name officially and caused the Seal of the State to be affixed hereto at Austin, this 17th day of June, 2011.
RICK PERRY Governor of Texas
Snowflakes and entitled brats will be the doom of America!
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: ChuChu1]
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06/20/11 04:01 PM
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timbertoes
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IOW, spend a million dollars of tax money.
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Re: Banning motor boats on the brazos river!
[Re: timbertoes]
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06/20/11 04:04 PM
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wh2004
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Bunch of freaking liberals in here all for big government and more bureaucracy.
You can't legislate responsibility!!
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