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new to jug lines
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05/30/11 09:45 PM
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gar1970
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i want to make jug lines. what is the best set up? iv got 1 gallon jugs and 2and half gallon jugs.how many hooks should i use and how deep should i place them how far apart also do i need to add a weight to the bottom to keep them in place or should i just let them drift.im going to be fishing amistad lake and it is very deep 200ft plus.although i wont be setting them in really deep water.the coves i want to set them in are 50ft deep max so how long should the lines be and how big should the weight be.any advice would be greatly appreciated thanx!!
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Re: new to jug lines
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05/30/11 10:44 PM
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David Lee
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I use the white foam jugs, dont take up as much space. I do not run more than 2 hooks, law says you can run 5. I anchor mine, but I only use a 1 lb. dumbbell from Academy. I rarely set mine deeper than 25 ft. I use shad if I can get it. If not I use shrimp. When I started I used the 1 gallon laundry detergent jugs, they take up a lot of space. For weights I took a 12" piece of 3" pvc and filled it with concrete, it was over kill.
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Re: new to jug lines
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05/31/11 12:15 AM
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Catfish Lynn
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Wow! 200' deep & 50' in the coves!!! I used to make main lines up with 5 leaders with hooks (the max for a jugline), but have tapered out to 4 hooks each, in order to spread them out over the "range" (so to speak). Of course they are/were being used without thermocline (depletion of oxygen) being active which should be about to start of not already.
Even though we have put jugs out in deeper & shallower waters at Lake Limestone, we tend to have two clumps (areas we set up to 6 at a time). I call this area the Near Corner coming out of the Running Branch fork as it hits the base end of the lake on the side of the Pump station. We set some inside the corner & some just outside the corner. If the lake was full, it would be 24' down to 21' inside & 28' down to 24' on the outside. However the lake is 3 to 4' low. I still kept my main line length original to 24' & 28', so they are a tad bit slack, even though I normally like them tight. Each have between a 0.70 & 1 quart weight fillet with concrete to hold them where they are set out so the wind won't take them everywhere. We use basically the 96 oz. white bleach jugs or 1 gallon white antifreeze jugs, or something similar.
I use size 36 green 3 strand twist nylon cord for main & leaders (4), but braid would be much better for the leaders. The leaders are between 22" & 24" long. Hooks vary, but the larger ones are usually on the two lower leaders.
Without thermocline active, coming up from the weight, I have the leaders set at these markings:
28" from bottom weight heading up- 4'/11'/18'/25' (spacing of 4'/7'/7'/3')
24'- 4'/9'14'/19' (spacing of 4'/5'/5'/5'/5')
There are many ways to set your leaders. I use 3/0 brass barrel swivels (long ones without the clasp as 30+ pounders open the clasp & go bye-bye). I may put double knots on both side & plastic barrels on each side of the swivel between the knots to allow it to swivel tight. Or I may use a brass trotline brad on each side of swivel with 1 to 2" to give slack. I am thinking of double brads as some having been moving the brads way too easily lately, yet I still want them to be able to have a little give.
From experience, thae standard nickel type seem to corrode inside the barrel & break off after awhile. I have not had that problem with the brass ones. I have only had one of the 3/0 brass barrel swivels break on me on a trotline. It left the top portion of the eyelet, so I decided to just do a hitch knot (no swivel). One YellowCat teacher taught me how to do that on trotlines & then a single knot (with the leader) on each side to prevent easy sliding, which eliminates the need for brads or knots on the main line. The swivel that got broke noted above seems to have been hit by the "Giant", an 80+ to 100+ pound Op which several of us have encountered in the past 2 years. Thank goodness I am not trying to catch it with a jugline.
I try to use SS (stainless steel) hooks, but not always possible. Lately have been leaning towards Tru-Turn hooks (PermaSteel, not SS) as they seem to catch more. Ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad SS stump hooks (Triple strength) of 7/0 & 9/0. Eagle Claw O'Shaunessy or Trotline SS hooks ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad 6/0 SS. A few Eagle Claw Lazer Sharp circle hooks 5/0 to 7/0 but not SS.
Everybody has a different preference, as they try several variants & find one that works with them. For me, the foam noodles are hard to spot in rough waters with the sun out, plus a big Op can make them disappear forever. So I stick to larger more visible jugs. Some prefer to run jugs by drifing beside them & staying with them. I use mostly perch & goldfish on ours. Biggest on jugs this past weekend was a 33# Op. Some like only 1 or 2 leaders.
With thermocline, I used to think it was in moving pockets & flunctuated. But a few years back 2001-2002, I read an article about a guy drift R&R fishing for Big Blues using goldfish & circle hooks. He explained the themocline is usually set around mid level tyo the bottom. And due to this, the Big Blues suspend themselves just above the half depth of an area. So if you are in 30' of water, the target area for big Blues would be 14 to 15' from the surface. If you are in 50' coves & the thermocline is active, target from 24 to 25' down from the surface. When the thermocline gets active, I simply remove the bottom 2 leaders & hooks to eliminate the chance of catching one & it dying.
If you are not sure, test your live bait for about 30 minutes & pull it up to see how it is fairing. If very sluggish, thermocline could be in early stages. If dead, thermocline is active. Therefore do not use the lower leaders, unless you will be right there to constantly pull ones off before dying. In this heat, best to have an ice chest handy with ice to pitch in those that died to keep from going bad.
Chad (Redneck) has some info on making juglines as well online. Somebody hopefully can post that for you to check out. He also makes catfish soap.
Lynn aka "Catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
[Re: Catfish Lynn]
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05/31/11 12:20 AM
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Chess101
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Wow! 200' deep & 50' in the coves!!! I used to make main lines up with 5 leaders with hooks (the max for a jugline), but have tapered out to 4 hooks each, in order to spread them out over the "range" (so to speak). Of course they are/were being used without thermocline (depletion of oxygen) being active which should be about to start of not already.
Even though we have put jugs out in deeper & shallower waters at Lake Limestone, we tend to have two clumps (areas we set up to 6 at a time). I call this area the Near Corner coming out of the Running Branch fork as it hits the base end of the lake on the side of the Pump station. We set some inside the corner & some just outside the corner. If the lake was full, it would be 24' down to 21' inside & 28' down to 24' on the outside. However the lake is 3 to 4' low. I still kept my main line length original to 24' & 28', so they are a tad bit slack, even though I normally like them tight. Each have between a 0.70 & 1 quart weight fillet with concrete to hold them where they are set out so the wind won't take them everywhere. We use basically the 96 oz. white bleach jugs or 1 gallon white antifreeze jugs, or something similar.
I use size 36 green 3 strand twist nylon cord for main & leaders (4), but braid would be much better for the leaders. The leaders are between 22" & 24" long. Hooks vary, but the larger ones are usually on the two lower leaders.
Without thermocline active, coming up from the weight, I have the leaders set at these markings:
28" from bottom weight heading up- 4'/11'/18'/25' (spacing of 4'/7'/7'/3')
24'- 4'/9'14'/19' (spacing of 4'/5'/5'/5'/5')
There are many ways to set your leaders. I use 3/0 brass barrel swivels (long ones without the clasp as 30+ pounders open the clasp & go bye-bye). I may put double knots on both side & plastic barrels on each side of the swivel between the knots to allow it to swivel tight. Or I may use a brass trotline brad on each side of swivel with 1 to 2" to give slack. I am thinking of double brads as some having been moving the brads way too easily lately, yet I still want them to be able to have a little give.
From experience, thae standard nickel type seem to corrode inside the barrel & break off after awhile. I have not had that problem with the brass ones. I have only had one of the 3/0 brass barrel swivels break on me on a trotline. It left the top portion of the eyelet, so I decided to just do a hitch knot (no swivel). One YellowCat teacher taught me how to do that on trotlines & then a single knot (with the leader) on each side to prevent easy sliding, which eliminates the need for brads or knots on the main line. The swivel that got broke noted above seems to have been hit by the "Giant", an 80+ to 100+ pound Op which several of us have encountered in the past 2 years. Thank goodness I am not trying to catch it with a jugline.
I try to use SS (stainless steel) hooks, but not always possible. Lately have been leaning towards Tru-Turn hooks (PermaSteel, not SS) as they seem to catch more. Ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad SS stump hooks (Triple strength) of 7/0 & 9/0. Eagle Claw O'Shaunessy or Trotline SS hooks ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad 6/0 SS. A few Eagle Claw Lazer Sharp circle hooks 5/0 to 7/0 but not SS.
Everybody has a different preference, as they try several variants & find one that works with them. For me, the foam noodles are hard to spot in rough waters with the sun out, plus a big Op can make them disappear forever. So I stick to larger more visible jugs. Some prefer to run jugs by drifing beside them & staying with them. I use mostly perch & goldfish on ours. Biggest on jugs this past weekend was a 33# Op. Some like only 1 or 2 leaders.
With thermocline, I used to think it was in moving pockets & flunctuated. But a few years back 2001-2002, I read an article about a guy drift R&R fishing for Big Blues using goldfish & circle hooks. He explained the themocline is usually set around mid level tyo the bottom. And due to this, the Big Blues suspend themselves just above the half depth of an area. So if you are in 30' of water, the target area for big Blues would be 14 to 15' from the surface. If you are in 50' coves & the thermocline is active, target from 24 to 25' down from the surface. When the thermocline gets active, I simply remove the bottom 2 leaders & hooks to eliminate the chance of catching one & it dying.
If you are not sure, test your live bait for about 30 minutes & pull it up to see how it is fairing. If very sluggish, thermocline could be in early stages. If dead, thermocline is active. Therefore do not use the lower leaders, unless you will be right there to constantly pull ones off before dying. In this heat, best to have an ice chest handy with ice to pitch in those that died to keep from going bad.
Chad (Redneck) has some info on making juglines as well online. Somebody hopefully can post that for you to check out. He also makes catfish soap.  I applaud you, since you consistently provide information with plenty of detail!
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Re: new to jug lines
[Re: Chess101]
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05/31/11 12:38 AM
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Catfish Lynn
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Not a problem, as we are all here to help & share with each other.
Oh that reminds me, we were really hoping to try out some of your suggestions as to glowsticks this past weekend (20th-23rd). We did get to try a green one in a soda bottle back in April. Had a 7,7# Blue next to it. Several noted green as being the best. My uncle got in about 100 of assorted colors. Due to storms coming in Friday evening (20th), that kept us from leaving for the lake until mid Saturday AM. So we lost our f1rst night of trying them. Saturday late afternoon showed storms coming in for that night about 9 PM so 2 hours was not enough to get out & try them. Bummer on the 2nd night. Sunday weather showed OK, so we finally got out & set all of the clear bottles out with glowsticks, but the calendar was going into a BFT (Buffet) day, so I can't say for sure as we really got good or bad results. We had a really rough time with Brutal winds Monday AM & were also trying to pull up the deep water lines, including jugs, so it was a little hectic. We do hope to try it again, especially if that 7,7# Blue was any indicator as to the use of glowsticks. And of course that one was green for sure. We may order in some green only, try that first, then try multi-colored later.
We were putting glowsticks at the weight, between the 2nd & 3rd leaders, and on the jug noted above as to their position. on 2 only. Then we decided to just do one on weight & one on jug. Further testing needed down the road.
Lynn aka "Catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
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05/31/11 09:38 PM
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gar1970
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thank you lynn for all the information i really appreciate it please give me more info on the knot you mentioned above.iv already recieved your calendar and love it! thanx again leo
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Re: new to jug lines
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05/31/11 09:56 PM
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albertking
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regards albertking catfishing is now an industry ... it's best for the industry to eat baby catfish
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Re: new to jug lines
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05/31/11 10:11 PM
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xgenex
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I use the flagging ones also. Remember you have to put your name and address on them, I use mailing labels covered with clear tape. I anchor mine also. Took 16oz soda bottles and cut the tops off, fill them with concret and make a loop on top out of a metal coat hanger. Tye a trot line clip on the bottom of you line so you can take them off for easy storage.
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Re: new to jug lines
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06/01/11 05:36 AM
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Catfish Lynn
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Hi "gar1970" aka Leo,
Which knot?
On the main lines if I put the plastic beads (plastic pony beads found in the sewing section of Wal-Mart), 2 on each side of the 3/0 brass swivel, the holes are big enough to fit size 36 cord thru the beads. But a single regular knot is small enough to get wedged or get sucked into the bead. So I make another regular knot encompassing the first one. So it is bigger in size.
If you are speaking of the hitch knot for leaders being attached without swivels, let me see if I can find an example online. It looks like a clove hitch knot. Google that and look at some illustrations. Remember that your leaders need to have a knot with the frayed portion slightly burnt. Be careful as melted nylon does not feel good. Let's see if I can describe it. Let's say you have a line stretched out in front of you, left to right, take a leader line with the knot & burnt end. Take a little excess as you do your first knot. Hold the leader up in front of the main line (your practice one). Take the leader end (opposite the hook end) over the main line, then veer to the left as you come around. As the knotted end is now pointing towards you, veer to the right in front of the leader that is hanging. Go over to the right of your first overlap. Take it over the main line, then bring it back in thru the loop you created on the right side. Now pull down on the leader portion that has the hook, so the knot will come up to remove the slack. To lock it or keep it from sliding around, take the hook end of the leader & put a standard single knot on one side of the hitch knot & snug it. Then do the same to the other side.
Hope that helps. I have to work late the next 3 nights so I might not make it to 'puter.
Lynn aka "Catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
[Re: Catfish Lynn]
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06/01/11 05:40 AM
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Catfish Lynn
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Gene made a good point. Be sure you put your name, address & date to make it legal. There are all sorts of ways to make up juglines. Try some & find which ways/types work best for you & your application.
Lynn aka "Catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
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06/01/11 06:41 AM
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gar1970
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thanx again lynn aka"catfish" i got your instructions.that was the knot i was asking about.i made 7 jugs.the wife and i are going to try them tomorrow at amistad.ill post the results.thanx again leo
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Re: new to jug lines
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06/01/11 06:55 AM
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gar1970
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thanx gene for your info i just used magic marker to put my info on the jug and i have alot of wheel weights so i melted them in my cast iron laddel and used bent welding rod made into a loop to tie to. they are about 24oz i hope they are heavy enough.thanx leo
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Re: new to jug lines
[Re: gar1970]
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06/01/11 06:59 AM
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Catfish Lynn
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Good Luck! Target range on Yellows is Thursday night 2nd thru mid-morning Sunday 5th. See my June posting for details on the 2011 Catfish Calendar I just finished with.
Lynn aka "Catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
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06/03/11 02:34 AM
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gar1970
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i should have checked calendar but just had to fish.anyway we caught 2 small blues.no days off on the 2nd tru 5th. next time ill check calendar first.im sure ill have better luck next time.thank you lynn aka"catfish"
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Re: new to jug lines
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06/03/11 05:25 PM
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Awesome info thanks! Wow! 200' deep & 50' in the coves!!! I used to make main lines up with 5 leaders with hooks (the max for a jugline), but have tapered out to 4 hooks each, in order to spread them out over the "range" (so to speak). Of course they are/were being used without thermocline (depletion of oxygen) being active which should be about to start of not already.
Even though we have put jugs out in deeper & shallower waters at Lake Limestone, we tend to have two clumps (areas we set up to 6 at a time). I call this area the Near Corner coming out of the Running Branch fork as it hits the base end of the lake on the side of the Pump station. We set some inside the corner & some just outside the corner. If the lake was full, it would be 24' down to 21' inside & 28' down to 24' on the outside. However the lake is 3 to 4' low. I still kept my main line length original to 24' & 28', so they are a tad bit slack, even though I normally like them tight. Each have between a 0.70 & 1 quart weight fillet with concrete to hold them where they are set out so the wind won't take them everywhere. We use basically the 96 oz. white bleach jugs or 1 gallon white antifreeze jugs, or something similar.
I use size 36 green 3 strand twist nylon cord for main & leaders (4), but braid would be much better for the leaders. The leaders are between 22" & 24" long. Hooks vary, but the larger ones are usually on the two lower leaders.
Without thermocline active, coming up from the weight, I have the leaders set at these markings:
28" from bottom weight heading up- 4'/11'/18'/25' (spacing of 4'/7'/7'/3')
24'- 4'/9'14'/19' (spacing of 4'/5'/5'/5'/5')
There are many ways to set your leaders. I use 3/0 brass barrel swivels (long ones without the clasp as 30+ pounders open the clasp & go bye-bye). I may put double knots on both side & plastic barrels on each side of the swivel between the knots to allow it to swivel tight. Or I may use a brass trotline brad on each side of swivel with 1 to 2" to give slack. I am thinking of double brads as some having been moving the brads way too easily lately, yet I still want them to be able to have a little give.
From experience, thae standard nickel type seem to corrode inside the barrel & break off after awhile. I have not had that problem with the brass ones. I have only had one of the 3/0 brass barrel swivels break on me on a trotline. It left the top portion of the eyelet, so I decided to just do a hitch knot (no swivel). One YellowCat teacher taught me how to do that on trotlines & then a single knot (with the leader) on each side to prevent easy sliding, which eliminates the need for brads or knots on the main line. The swivel that got broke noted above seems to have been hit by the "Giant", an 80+ to 100+ pound Op which several of us have encountered in the past 2 years. Thank goodness I am not trying to catch it with a jugline.
I try to use SS (stainless steel) hooks, but not always possible. Lately have been leaning towards Tru-Turn hooks (PermaSteel, not SS) as they seem to catch more. Ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad SS stump hooks (Triple strength) of 7/0 & 9/0. Eagle Claw O'Shaunessy or Trotline SS hooks ranging from 6/0 to 9/0. Mustad 6/0 SS. A few Eagle Claw Lazer Sharp circle hooks 5/0 to 7/0 but not SS.
Everybody has a different preference, as they try several variants & find one that works with them. For me, the foam noodles are hard to spot in rough waters with the sun out, plus a big Op can make them disappear forever. So I stick to larger more visible jugs. Some prefer to run jugs by drifing beside them & staying with them. I use mostly perch & goldfish on ours. Biggest on jugs this past weekend was a 33# Op. Some like only 1 or 2 leaders.
With thermocline, I used to think it was in moving pockets & flunctuated. But a few years back 2001-2002, I read an article about a guy drift R&R fishing for Big Blues using goldfish & circle hooks. He explained the themocline is usually set around mid level tyo the bottom. And due to this, the Big Blues suspend themselves just above the half depth of an area. So if you are in 30' of water, the target area for big Blues would be 14 to 15' from the surface. If you are in 50' coves & the thermocline is active, target from 24 to 25' down from the surface. When the thermocline gets active, I simply remove the bottom 2 leaders & hooks to eliminate the chance of catching one & it dying.
If you are not sure, test your live bait for about 30 minutes & pull it up to see how it is fairing. If very sluggish, thermocline could be in early stages. If dead, thermocline is active. Therefore do not use the lower leaders, unless you will be right there to constantly pull ones off before dying. In this heat, best to have an ice chest handy with ice to pitch in those that died to keep from going bad.
Chad (Redneck) has some info on making juglines as well online. Somebody hopefully can post that for you to check out. He also makes catfish soap.
Best Cajun Line: "Laissez les bons temps rouler " (Lazay-Lay Bon-Tom Roulay) Let the good times roll!!!!
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