Packbaits change the main ingredient per the water temp change. You don't fish grits in the winter for one thing. Once you understand how water temps affect carp and the bait to draw them in you will catch year round. I change my packbait to suit the water conditions, not just cuz it is the only recipe I know. Once you start mixing grits, oats, bread it becomes a ground bait cuz you are mixing diff ingredients and not sticking with a single main ingredient. What kind of grits are you using as a breaker? Why do you even need a breaker with oats? You don't. If you are using instant grits and instant oats then you have two binders. Instant oats will bind for hours if packed hard enough. When using oats you have to use old fashion oats and they act as a binder and breaker and not the 1 minute stuff

if made right you wont need bread crumbs or grits ted, the old fashion oats are the binder and breaker. And depending on what kind of grits you have you might be adding 3 binders and no breakers

Well our mix only has three items in it. So its safe to say its a packbait.

if you use just Old fashioned oats and cream corn you just have a binder and a wetter, this will not break down well unless you add some quick gritts to help break it down, I do not use this anymore just for the fact that you have to change ratios due to water temps, I use a method that contains 3 different pellets along with a small amount of old fashioned oats,and bread crumbs and lake water as the wetter.

Thanks Scott. I admit, I have a ton to learn and this thread is helping me.

I think maybe i was adding too much cream corn for the amount of oats in there.

Really, cuz that is what I used at the ATC and I actually caught a few carp. It is also what I have been using all pre spawn. I forgot you know everything about everything Stephen, cept how to catch carp on LBL during pre spawn

Wow that's where this topic is going...

First off I never claim to know everything about everything, just giving my opinion on the subject, but for you to come back and make such a low blow statement about my bad luck at the ATC just shows everyone just what kind of person you are.

Stephen , you said my mix wont bind or break , what am i supposed to say other than you are wrong

Ground bait packbait method....who really cares as long as ur catching fish. And we catch fish with what we use and its simple. Lepomis wanted help and y'all hijacked the thread to argue bout damn ingridents.

you went beyound calling me wrong, a little civility would have been nice.

he asked for packbait, that is what I gave him. I tried to give you guys a lesson on the differences but some people are too stubborn to just listen.

tom brooks, is a old school pay laker, that uses packbait and to me is the king of packbait. he will for sure give you a speech on pack. matter of fact, i think he did a post on uscarppro forums about pack bait. lots of good info there. i dont use pack cause i cant figure out nor remember whats what lol. i stick to my regular method and im happy.