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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: baskat]
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03/28/11 11:58 PM
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Bluetick
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Game warden has no business being at the weigh in to write tickets for fish that are being released. They need to get out on the water and do their job. There is no telling how many violations are occuring on the water while he is sitting at the weigh in writing tickets for fish that are being released. The Warden is at almost every tournament at lake Tyler. Sometimes he is just in the crowd, but lots of times he is standing watching every fish get measured. I saw him write a ticket last year for a short fish. He is a nice guy, but don't bring in a short fish at Lake Tyler.
Last edited by Bluetick; 03/29/11 12:01 AM.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Bluetick]
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03/29/11 12:00 AM
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Same guy chicken hawks every tournament I have ever been to on Palestine and Tyler.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Fish Killer]
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03/29/11 12:21 AM
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hoss1324
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I don't understand how you measure a fish's length twice? or are you measuring the height as well?
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: hoss1324]
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03/29/11 12:25 AM
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most fish will measure differently on one side or the other.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Mark Perry]
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03/29/11 01:05 AM
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Hobbs McAvoy
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Game warden has no business being at the weigh in to write tickets for fish that are being released. They need to get out on the water and do their job. There is no telling how many violations are occuring on the water while he is sitting at the weigh in writing tickets for fish that are being released. That is a valid point. I agree but when you take a fish and put it in your live well or weigh it in, it is in your possession and therefore cannot be in the slot or it is illegal. They can't waive the lake laws for tournaments.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: RedRanger]
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03/29/11 01:21 AM
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Cameron
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Just another reason I don't fish Tournaments on Fork
Lets see who can catch the smallest big fish
You can't catch any on Fork anyhow man. hehe
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Cameron]
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03/29/11 01:33 AM
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patriot07
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I'm not on the game warden's side, but the rules clearly stated that the fish would be measured on both sides and extended to give the largest possible length, and it sounds like that's what they did. Helps the overs, hurts the unders. Counting whichever side is convenient (short side for unders, long side for overs) doesn't make much sense to me. But I agree that the game warden shouldn't have been standing there writing tickets for fish that were going to get released regardless of whether or not it's a slot fish. Just my $.02
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Cameron]
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03/29/11 01:43 AM
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RedRanger
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Just another reason I don't fish Tournaments on Fork
Lets see who can catch the smallest big fish
You can't catch any on Fork anyhow man. hehe Fork is not good to me...........
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: baskat]
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03/29/11 01:44 AM
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mattm
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Game warden has no business being at the weigh in to write tickets for fish that are being released. They need to get out on the water and do their job. There is no telling how many violations are occuring on the water while he is sitting at the weigh in writing tickets for fish that are being released. Nope. Game warden has every write to be there and right tickets. It is a violation to be in possesion of a slot fish whether you intend to release it or not. However, it sounds like this particular warden did a good job of interpreting the spirit of the law and let the barely overs walk. I bet he wouldn't of been so kind to someone that had been toting around a barely under all day.
Last edited by mattm; 03/29/11 01:45 AM.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: Tejas11749]
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03/29/11 02:12 AM
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tommyc
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I don't understand why you guys think it is wrong when a tournament organization does not supply a "courtesy board"? It seems to me if a tournament has a "courtesy board" and you bring in a questionable fish then the tournament organization is aiding you in bringing in an illegal fish? A fish in the slot is a fish in the slot, period. If you had any question that your fish might be over then you should have thrown in back! If you have a fish in your possession and walk on to the bank to check it on a "courtesy board" then the game warden has every right to write you a ticket if the fish is not legal!
Not to mention if you are measuring you fish to go under rather than trying to see if it will go over you are measuring your fish wrong in the first place! No "courtesy board" can fix your hope that the fish will go under if you if you are measuring it wrong!
I for one think Bass Champs did it right, NO COURTESY BOARD! I can only imagine the long line of guys trying to get their fish to measure under the line at the bank holding their fish out of water!
Jeff Welch had what I thought was a real good explanation on their web site about how to measure a fish in a slot event. He said the correct board and way you measure the fish is just as important as changing your line or putting gas in your boat! I read this post twice all the way through. There is a lot of wisdom in this post. Great job RB_BassMan.
Tom Cornelius
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: tommyc]
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03/29/11 03:48 AM
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M. Massoletti
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It would be nice if there was an exemption in tourny's were the fish are released. Imagine the money that could be brought in to the area if there was and they would hold a classic on Fork?????
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: jbassman]
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03/29/11 06:38 AM
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red cajun
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Sorry to hear your fish didn't make it. Thank God you guys were not given a ticket.Fish can change about 1/8" usually losing the 1/8" from being in the livewell. I use two rules on fish on Fork. One make sure fish is 1/4" over 24",or 1/16" under 16".Number two , I have two different measuring rulers. I had a friend that was given a ticket on Palestine for 1/8" on a Crappie, so you can say I learned my lesson from his mistake.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: JPeel]
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03/29/11 12:45 PM
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stinger13
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....If it would have gotten you a prize, I would consider getting representation. With so much at stake,including reputation, I might look for a piece of the tournament organization. Seriously? Yes, seriosly. My opinion is as valid as yours. Is the tournament organization going to put you on a limb by not providing a board? They stand behind a decision, then they need to allow the fish to be validated before a mistake. The game warden made a decision that should have overruled the tournament director's. It would in most cases. Like I said, my opinion. You can have one too.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: emorydog]
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03/29/11 12:47 PM
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stinger13
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I say if the game warden was not going to commit himself, then the tournament committee should have allowed the fish. They certainly shouldn't have much to say since they didn't have a courtesy board. If it would have gotten you a prize, I would consider getting representation. With so much at stake,including reputation, I might look for a piece of the tournament organization. That is the response of someone who is ignorant. Obama fan no doubt looking to sue rather than accept the findings of both parties calling the lengths. Being that there was a warning issued, then it was obvious the warden also found it too long. So then what is your grounds to "look for a piece of the tournament organization" First, the TPW findings have nothing to do with the tourney, the tourney staff likely called it long, and that is likely why the warden was involved. Second, there should not need to be a courtesy board, they tell you what board they use. If you use the flawed logic that all boards are differnet, then the bump board will also be different that the one they have at the scales. Good that there was only a warning, unless it was flagrant, "1/32" could easily happen. You are right, such ignorance to use the Obama statement to compare things. Where is the comparison? Or...do you believe opinions are only for you? By the way...was I the only one who brought up representation? I think not...please respond to the others in equal manner.
Last edited by waker; 03/29/11 12:49 PM.
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Re: The 16" Under
[Re: stinger13]
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03/29/11 01:11 PM
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threeseas
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