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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Texas Smoke]
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01/24/11 12:44 AM
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John A.
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I'm with Texas smoke. Kevin has no reason to go on a which hunt and try to DQ someone. He maybe lots of things but not fair is one of them. I've personally had issues in the past and he has helped me when he probably shouldn't have. He may have not handled everything perfect but I dont think a tournament director ever does.
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: John A.]
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01/24/11 01:30 AM
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UNTbass222
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Me saying it was vague was not exactly the right word. The rule covers the infraction committed. Just a clearer rule would be, a team member may not cast fish inside a off limits area. I know I have heard it in rules meetings to imagine an offlimits area as a wall. You cannot cast onto it. So your saying you can't fishing a boat slot in a marina where the clowns post a "No fishing" sign on their slot. I just don't think a team should be DQ'd for a vague rule that wasn't specifically discussed in the pre-tournament meeting.
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Texas Smoke]
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01/24/11 01:44 AM
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OUJoeyC
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You would think that since the rule is so "vague" and it is the way you interpret it that determines if the team was actually in violation.... something like this wouldn't happen. Instead of rob the team of 10 grand since it really wasn't stated... maybe award them what the earned and CLARIFY the rule and move on. Just seems if the TD was calling all these people and running around, talking to GW etc he really didn't know what to do. After not knowing what to do he sure did take an interesting route. Maybe he was "calling all these people and running around" to try and find a way to HELP the team not be disqualified. You make it seem like it was a witch hunt. You couldn't be further from the truth. Maybe you should just go to your room and do some studying young fella and leave this to the adults because you're making a big deal about nothing. I don't think he was "out to get anyone" but I do think people are entitled to their own opinion. I think some are under the impression that something isn't quite right because at first they were being told they were DQ'd for something different. Then eventually there was a correct DQ rule for the infraction. With that said, in my opinion, after seeing the whole thing unfold I do not believe at any point there was any attempt to "help" the team that was DQ'd. Kevin has a tough job and does well at it and also seems like a very nice and genuine person. However, upon finding the actual rule after his first Texas state law suggestion was wrong, I think an apology should have at least been made. There seems to be a common misconception that college students are all unintelligent kids, both by your shot at baylorbassguy and by comments made while trying to explain the ruling the day of the tournament. Maybe some of my fellow college anglers are like me, married, two kids, almost 30yrs old and back in school after serving our country in this situation we are in. I think we all agree that the ruling was fair and that the manner in which it was ruled upon could have been better. By the way, my degree will be in Liberal Studies, it seems this has a bearing on how rules are interpreted now.
Joey
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
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01/24/11 02:03 AM
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Texas Smoke
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Give me a shot at fishing for $10,000 for NO ENTRY FEE and you wouldn't hear a peep out of me if I had broken the rules, whether it was explained to me in 5 minutes or if it took 5 hours. MOST people would be grateful for the opportunity to fish for the money those kids fish for without having to pay an entry fee but I guess there are those who would gripe about how long a decision took to be made. It's up to the individual to decide which one of those people he is going to be. Grateful or an ingrate ??? It's your choice.
My Dad always told me that some people would complain about being hung with a new rope. Guess he was right.
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Brandon Dickenson]
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01/24/11 02:06 AM
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Jay Kendrick
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I hope the real explanation/story of why they were DQ'd comes out...The "release" area is usually the "take off" area, so surely that is not what it is....Something sure sounds "fishy" here, hope they aren't just trying to sweep it under the rug, because this has me curious. They were fishing down at the dam and they threw over the bouys. They thougt that it would be o.k. since they're boat didn't go across the buoys but apparently the rules say that you can't cast anywhere that your boat can't go so they were DQ'ed. It was an honest mistake. What is it that sounds so "fishy" ??? Because I have fished a lot of tournaments in my time, and never ran into this issue....As the rule states that you just quoted, does that mean I can't skip my bait under a dock, or into a culvert, hence my boat can't go there....hmmmmmm +1. I've fished alot of tournaments that allow you to cast in to bouyed areas, this was their argument against making it illegal. Once again... FLW for the fail. Sad sad sad.... I feel for the Oklahoma guys.
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Texas Smoke]
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01/24/11 02:18 AM
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OUJoeyC
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I guess you are right. I don't hear any griping out of the team that actually got DQ'd just the opinions of fellow competitors. I certainly appreciate what is offered to us by the FLW and College fishing. However, other college anglers shouldn't have their opinion attacked because of their age. It is a lot of money we compete for but that doesn't mean people should be talked to like bird dogs. Kids, gimme a break, these are grown adults partner, most of which do appreciate what is given to them.
My Dad always told me to treat and talk to people with respect.
Joey
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: OUJoeyC]
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01/24/11 02:24 AM
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J. P. Duran
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[quote=OUJoeyC][quote=John A.]Teams may fish anywhere on tournament waters within the boundaries defined on CollegeFishing.com that is available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as off-limits, no boats or no fishing by FLW Outdoors, local, state or federal officials, or within 50 yards of a contestants boat that was first anchored.
why is this rule too complicated for a few of you college boys to understand? Just because you have fished some tourneys without this rule doesn't mean you should assume all circuits are the same. It is your responsibility to know the rules. If you are unsure ASK!
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
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01/24/11 02:32 AM
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Jay Kendrick
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are you refering to "us college boys" as dumb or something? this is not the first post like this on this thread... just wanted some clarification
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: J. P. Duran]
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01/24/11 02:38 AM
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OUJoeyC
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[quote=OUJoeyC][quote=John A.]Teams may fish anywhere on tournament waters within the boundaries defined on CollegeFishing.com that is available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as off-limits, no boats or no fishing by FLW Outdoors, local, state or federal officials, or within 50 yards of a contestants boat that was first anchored.
why is this rule too complicated for a few of you college boys to understand? Just because you have fished some tourneys without this rule doesn't mean you should assume all circuits are the same. It is your responsibility to know the rules. If you are unsure ASK! I believe this rule is very black and white and so does the team that got the DQ. Once they saw this rule they accepted the ruling, without a doubt. A DQ for violating a Texas state law was what the team didnt understand and ultimately was cleared up by the Game Warden. You are right about asking also, Kevin did say before the launch if there is any question about something please call and ask before making a mistake. This obviously didnt cross the teams mind at the time as they were working the entire area. Again though, there is no disputing the ruling
Joey
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Jay Kendrick]
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01/24/11 02:45 AM
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Texas Smoke
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are you refering to "us college boys" as dumb or something? this is not the first post like this on this thread... just wanted some clarification Well did you read the rules or are you just whining ?? The rules are pretty clear. Really doesn't matter what the rules are for XYZ tournament circuit or for the ABC tournament circuit or for any bass club tournament that you fished when you were 14 years old. The rules for the FLW college tournaments say that you can't do what they did. So what are you griping about ?
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: OUJoeyC]
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01/24/11 02:58 AM
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Texas Smoke
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I guess you are right. I don't hear any griping out of the team that actually got DQ'd just the opinions of fellow competitors. I certainly appreciate what is offered to us by the FLW and College fishing. However, other college anglers shouldn't have their opinion attacked because of their age. It is a lot of money we compete for but that doesn't mean people should be talked to like bird dogs. Kids, gimme a break, these are grown adults partner, most of which do appreciate what is given to them.
My Dad always told me to treat and talk to people with respect. Respect is earned, and one way to NOT earn it is to come on an internet board ANONYMOUSLY and spread innuendo about good people and to have undertones of "fishyness" about decisons in those posts. People will get called out on that every time "partner". So tell me which is worse. To anonymously bring up questions about something being "fishy" or calling out those that did so ???
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
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01/24/11 03:11 AM
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hardin19
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second time in 2 years a team who won has got the dq in FLW College from a rule confusion. (use of tobbacco last year at cross) both times the td was running around trying to figuer out wat the rules is......
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
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01/24/11 03:12 AM
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Brandon Dickenson
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ummmm... I just wanted clarification on the matter, and I did not post anonymously...
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Re: FLW college @ Choke today
[Re: Brandon Dickenson]
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01/24/11 03:19 AM
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Texas Smoke
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ummmm... I just wanted clarification on the matter, and I did not post anonymously... Then you shouldn't have a problem with my post.
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