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Re: Striper Tag [Re: TIM CLINE] #5716491 01/14/11 07:31 PM
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I stand corrected. flehan You are right about you don't have to buy a texoma license . But I like to fish on both sides of the state line so it makes dollar sense to by a 12.00 dollar Texoma Lic instead of a texas and an out of state OK Lic. But I understand your reasoning smile


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Re: Striper Tag [Re: PlanoKeith] #5717594 01/14/11 11:23 PM
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I am totally against the petition. We have enough lawmakers changing everything. I dont need some guide who is not a biologist trying to insert his own guidlines to benefit him or thinks this is better for our lakes. I also guide but part time for fun. It is not my main source of income. I enjoy it more that way. I was raised dont kill what your not going to eat. No matter what law you put in place people are going to break it. We are already short handed as it is when it comes to game wardens. If your that bored invent a lure or a new technique. We have enough laws as it is. Leave the study to the biologists and keep our lawmakers out of our fisheries. If this upsets someone its not my intention. Texas fishery laws are starting to look more and more like California. If you want those laws take your boat and equipment and go fish there lol.


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Re: Striper Tag [Re: Catfishd] #5717780 01/15/11 12:02 AM
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wish i could get one in the boat 26 inches






Re: Striper Tag [Re: Lakeguide] #5719221 01/15/11 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: *Lakeguide*
I would be all for a petition for a study to be done by biologist. I don't think it is a good idea for anglers or guides to come up with their own management plan. It would be great for TPWD to focus on trophy striper and hybrid instead of largemouth for a while. thumb


yep. objective data and tweak the variables along the way. if game wardens are non existent now, sure would be a long while before the actual research can begin.

Re: Striper Tag [Re: fob bob] #5733053 01/18/11 09:36 PM
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I heard the zebra mussles and the shad kills were to blame for the disapearance of large striper in Texoma. I've seen very few reports of fish over 26" this year. With most large fish passing during hot months anyway, shouldn't they be kept for the oil. Culling keepers by guides has been a big problem as well, they know those fish will likely die but put them back anyway. That explains all the floaters this summer... I have never seen skinny stripers like this year ever!!!

Maybe some guides could help by following the law that's already in effect.

Re: Striper Tag [Re: BrandonA] #5733116 01/18/11 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: BrandonA
I think its a good start. Like anything it may need to be tweaked.


We don't have any stripers here at Cedar Creek but we can furnish several tweakers. smile



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Re: Striper Tag [Re: fastguy�] #5737537 01/19/11 09:18 PM
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I guess I get on the TFF x2 or 3 per year and say the following:

Want Trophy Fish? Easy, don't kill them! If its summer and HOT, take some time, set the diet milk down and try to revive the fish! Yep hold it by the tail, gently get water moving thru the gills! Don't put your fingers on the gills. If the fish won't go, keep it!

If it's hot and you are crushing fish and they are all dying, STOP: go to the bar, get on the iphone, log on to TFF, and let everyone no u are the BOMB!

Had a Corp. outing on Texoma May 1992 ( 40 boats with 4 per )I caught a 15 lb striper and the guide said we won the $$$ for big fish! I finished 5th?? Wish I could find those pics.

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Re: Striper Tag [Re: FishBeeLowMe] #5740332 01/20/11 02:55 PM
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Re: Striper Tag [Re: Patt] #5740354 01/20/11 03:01 PM
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I signed the petition...however, considering there is no "Texas Congress", per se, the petition should be addressed to Texas Parks and Wildlife. They establish the rules and regulations about all Texas wildlife.


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Re: Striper Tag [Re: David Cole] #5740390 01/20/11 03:08 PM
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TP&WD Inland Fisheries has on-staff biologists at the Lake Texoma Fisheries Station that study this issue all the time. For Texoma, they are based in Pottsboro (Bruce Hysmith). For such an ideal to really happen, both Texas and Oklahoma have to agree there is a problem and implement regulations in support of it. Remember, it was Oklahoma who first put stripers into Texoma, not Texas...but both now support them. Probably more from Oklahoma, just because more of the Lake (I think) lies in Oklahoma. Since I buy both states fishing licenses, I'm supporting both efforts at conservation and regulation.


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Re: Striper Tag [Re: David Cole] #5740512 01/20/11 03:35 PM
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I do realize that this effort was not going to go anywhere without the support of the TPWD biologists so I contacted them when I posted this and here is the response from the indland fisheries regional director, Brian Van Zee.

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Mr. Prichard,

Thank you for your email and interest in the striped bass fisheries on Lake Texoma and other reservoirs around the state. Being a striper guide you know that Texas has some of the best striped bass fisheries in the country, especially Texoma. Those fisheries are the quality that they are because our District Biologists put forth a lot of effort to
monitor and manage those fisheries on a lake by lake basis. This is evidenced by the fact that there are several striped bass fisheries in the state that are managed with customized striped bass regulations; in other words they are managed with something other than the statewide
striped bass regulation. Implementing something such as a statewide tag would make it more difficult for our biologists to manage those fisheries on a case by case basis.

As you know there are a number of environmental and biological
conditions that impact our striped bass fisheries. You mentioned the summer time squeeze that our striped bass populations experience when water temperatures rise and the fact that it can affect the survival of striped bass. That summer time squeeze is in fact more stressful on the larger and older striped bass in our reservoirs. Another environmental condition that several of our striped bass populations are impacted by
is golden algae. Reservoirs such as Whitney, Granbury, EV Spence, PK and Kemp have all been impacted by golden algae, some worse than other. In fact the striped bass fisheries at Kemp and EV Spence no longer exist while the ones at PK, Whitney and Granbury are impacted by varying degrees on a year to year basis. In those reservoirs there is a chance that the striped bass could die due to a golden algae bloom before attaining what would be considered a trophy size.

From a biological perspective, a tag likely would not achieve the
outcome you are looking for because in most striped bass fisheries in the state things such as recruitment, growth and the availability of forage play a bigger role in whether or not a trophy fishery could be developed. All of the striped bass fisheries in the state, with the exception of Lake Texoma, are maintained through regular stockings of striped bass fingerlings. Lake Texoma has a very high level of natural
recruitment and as such the lake produces a lot of striped bass. The growth rates of striped bass in Texoma are slowed due to the competition for forage. Consequently, that is why Texoma has a higher bag limit (10 fish/day) and no minimum length limit. The level of recruitment in our other striped bass fisheries in the state could be controlled by simply
reducing the stocking rate or the frequency of stocking. Doing so would reduce the amount of competition for available forage which could result in faster growth rates. However, this would not guarantee the production of trophy size fish because favorable water temperatures and oxygen levels during the summer would have to exist in order for the striped bass to survive long enough to attain trophy size. Furthermore, in order to do this it would mean substantially fewer striped bass being
stocked into a reservoir which means fewer striped bass available for guides and anglers to catch. Which brings in the social aspect of fisheries management; are anglers and guides willing to give up higher catch rates of fish in order to catch fewer but larger fish? That is a question that would need to be asked of all the anglers and guides utilizing a fishery. Historically, Texas anglers have been more in favor of having higher catch rates of good size striped bass to catch
and eat than catching trophy sized fish; a lot of guides especially
prefer the higher catch rates because it makes it easier for them to put their clients on fish.

As you can see the management of striped bass in Texas is pretty
complicated and in my opinion is best done on a lake by lake basis. Don't get me wrong I am not against the concept of producing some trophy striped bass fisheries in the state but it would have to be done on the right water body and the anglers would have to support it. Thanks again for your interest in the striped bass fishing in Texas!


From Bruce Hysmith, the biologists over Lake Texoma

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Mr. Prichard:
Thanks for your interest in fishing for striped bass and Lake Texoma. I am the biologist charged with managing the fishery here at Lake Texoma, which I have been doing for the past 33 years. I apologize for being tardy in responding, but I have been attending the Southern Division American Fisheries Society annual meeting in Tampa FL. I think my regional supervisor Brian Van Zee adequately covered your question(s) and responded
to your trophy tag proposition. In addition to his comments I would add that in the process of creating a trophy fishery, a lot of fish are lost to angler induced catch and release mortality. We conducted such a study on striped bass in Lake Texoma in the late 1980's and early 1990's. The paper
was presented at and published in the Proceedings of the 46th Annual Conference of the Southeast Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies in Corpus Christi. Over a two-year period, we studied the effects of season and bait type on survival of caught and released striped bass. All seasons
and all bait types considered, overall mortality was 38%. The highest mortality occurred in the spring and the highest mortality was associated with live bait. And, as expected, the highest mortality for any reason occurred in the largest fish. So if, on average, 40 of every 100 striped
bass are going to succumb to angler catch and release mortality and this mortality is concentrated on the largest fish, you can see where this leads. We concluded it was best to let anglers enjoy these fish rather than have
the fish die after release. Therefore, our regulation of 10 fish with no minimum length limit, but only two of the 10 fish daily bag limit can be 20 inches and greater. This has proven to be a workable solution for anglers as well as the striped bass population. Along with Oklahoma Department of
Wildlife Conservation fisheries personnel, we conduct annual gill netting surveys of the striped bass in Lake Texoma and according to our results, the population is holding its own with a fairly consistent proportion of fish in the 20-inch and larger category and in a dynamic system like we have in Lake Texoma, there is always the opportunity for a trophy fish to show up.
Bottomline, Lake Texoma is still the premier striped bass angler destination and there is pretty much some action to be found any season of the year.


I sent them the petition and they are aware of our support for a program that supports a population of larger stripers.

Thank you for your input and support,
Brian

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Re: Striper Tag [Re: Stripers Inc.] #5741432 01/20/11 07:41 PM
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Ill state this again that Golden Alga is the largest threat to fishing in Texas. Folks at Texoma don't take it seriouly because they have never been impacted by a large fish die off. I have personally seen GA killing shad in Buccmbee creek on Texoma. (This was also backed up by biologist)

If your going to raise money or contact TPW, Congressmen etc then do so on the Golden Alga issue.

If Texoma ever has a full blown golden Alga fish kill they will have to be cleaned up with front end loaders and dumpsters. Not a happy thought.


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I fished Striped Bass all over the United States in freshwater and I have to THOROUGHLY disagree with your proposal, it is un-necessary and unfounded by the biology. If you want bigger fish in Texoma you MUST remove the excess spawn for about five years, that means TOTALLY protecting fish over 24" and removing ALL fish under that range -- even at that, there is summer stress mortality on fish over 12#. If you include the striper that leave the lake when a flood comes along,high nutrient loading after floods causing poor oxygen at depths where cool water should be, you loose even more fish. There are a LOT more factors to consider in creating a trophy fishery than just a one fish tag.

I think Paul Mauck of ODWC research station on Texoma will tell you the same thing I am telling you here.

I fished Texoma in its "glory" days, guided on it and caught a 33# fish out of it in 1980. It was pretty common to catch five or six fish over 20# on any given day. BUT there were not 300 boats a day seven days a week on it either. There were good year classes of big fish right on down to little fish -- then the managing entities, ODWC and TPWD, began a management regimen that made the lake what it is today -- all the "box fish" you want.

Its about management for the most social satisfaction, not for a good biological biomass of several year classes of fish.

I worked pretty closely with Rodger McCabe who retired as the inland Striped Bass program leader in Texas. He TOLD me that Texoma was to be managed in this fashion as well as lake Whitney( where they went from ten striper per acres to 50 per acres stock rates) and it started in 1989. BOTH lake for all intents and purposes quit kicking out numbers of large fish , and began to kick out lots of "happy smiles" fish. Texoma has such high natural reproduction , plus what Dundee hatchery dumps as "overs" into the Red that Striper are pretty much out of control.

We don't need the tag system, and you will never see Texas lakes managed for "trophy" sized fish again.

Utill attitudes about striper over ten pounds are CHANGED as in C&R where possible, and GUIDES encouraging keeping ONLY small fish for the table, Texoma will remain as it is - too much angling pressure removing too many large year classes of fish, too many small mouths to feed.

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Release mortatily close to 40%.....WOW

I would imagine that number close to doubles in the summer on "overs"

If that doesn't speak well for a "keep what you catch" program in the summer then nothing does. I think a 10 fish limit from June through September, keep the first 10 you catch, and no catch and release would be more beneficial than a big fish tag.


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