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Articulated or animated flies #5646225 12/28/10 01:51 PM
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I have been interested in rear weighted flies for some time, but not having immediate use for them, I havent been motivated until a recent thread on Dan Blantons board.

http://www.danblanton.com/viewmessage.php?id=148374

http://www.danblanton.com/viewmessage.php?id=148437

http://www.danblanton.com/viewpictures.php?id=148531

http://www.danblanton.com/viewmessage.php?id=148449

So yesterday I played around with a prototype Lead A** Clouser maybe try it out soon.
I used hollow plastic bead chain eyes to eliminate forward weight and about 9-10 wraps of .035 lead wire for rear weight.











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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: George Glazener] #5646243 12/28/10 01:57 PM
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Interesting! That ought to add a whole different "hop" to things.


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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: rrhyne56] #5646372 12/28/10 02:55 PM
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Interesting indeed. Should put hitch in the fly's get along and make the fish think they got an easy snack.


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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: Grashpr9] #5646393 12/28/10 03:02 PM
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Gears engaged, smoke billowing forth- wonder how a tandem fly with the back fly only weighted out would perform?

Or, while we're at it, a weighted front section and heavily floaty tail section with closed cell foam?

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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: rrhyne56] #5646827 12/28/10 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: rrhyne56

Or, while we're at it, a weighted front section and heavily floaty tail section with closed cell foam?
wouldn't that be like mixing matter and anti-matter?


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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: Grashpr9] #5646874 12/28/10 05:09 PM
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I am going to give 'er a go!


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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: rrhyne56] #5647012 12/28/10 05:53 PM
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check out Kelley Galloups Tip Ups

i don't really see how adding weight to the hook shank will have any effect on the flies action other than making it sink faster.

again check out galloups stuff he may know what he's doing



Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5647066 12/28/10 06:06 PM
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He already came up with it! smile


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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5647234 12/28/10 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Case-Ryan
check out Kelley Galloups Tip Ups

i don't really see how adding weight to the hook shank will have any effect on the flies action other than making it sink faster.

again check out galloups stuff he may know what he's doing


Case, very similar to Blantons method except using beads instead of lead wire for trout flies. The west coasters are using the rear-weighted flies primarily for stripers.
http://www.danblanton.com/viewpictures.php?id=148399
Interesting subject.

If you know Dan Blanton, he wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work... grin
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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: george1] #5647742 12/28/10 09:30 PM
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i guess what i am saying is. IMO there will be a noticeable differnce in the flies action when you add weight off the back of the shank like in the posted link http://www.danblanton.com/viewpictures.php?id=148399 compared to a fly weighted in the front with lead eyes due to the fact there is a dramatic shift in the folcrom point (Going from a front weighted fly to a rear weighted fly). IMO there will be minimal difference in the flies action when weight is added directly onto the shank, like the fly George posted, due to their being a minimal shift in weight. i do think the fly George posted will ride point up better due to the weight stabilizing the fly better.
With that being said there is also the fly line and leader/tippet that you have to take into consideration. fishing a rear weighted fly on a floating line will give you a much more vertical presentation since the floating line will keep the eye end of the hook up and the weight on the back end of the fly will pull it down creating it ride vertical in the water.
if the leader/tippet is to stiff like 20+ lb stuff the fly will not have the action it could with much lighter and flexible leader/tippit.



Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5647987 12/28/10 10:27 PM
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Reading all of the posted links and discussion at the beginning of this thread, I believe that you and Blanton are in agreement.
Dave Sellers continues to tie his flies with weight on or below hook shank.
Dave's popular SST fly began the rear weighted fly concept several years ago and Blanton gives him credit. Both are renowned fly tyers and fly fishermen - interesting.
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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5648075 12/28/10 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Case-Ryan
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With that being said there is also the fly line and leader/tippet that you have to take into consideration. fishing a rear weighted fly on a floating line will give you a much more vertical presentation since the floating line will keep the eye end of the hook up and the weight on the back end of the fly will pull it down creating it ride vertical in the water.
if the leader/tippet is to stiff like 20+ lb stuff the fly will not have the action it could with much lighter and flexible leader/tippit.

Agreed, if floating line is used, but IMO would not be appropriate except in shallow water.
When fishing weighted flies for striped bass, whether front or rear weighted, I always used various class sinking shooting heads or Teeny sinking lines of various weight depending upon flyrod.

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Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: george1] #5648095 12/28/10 10:52 PM
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something else that wouldn't be a bad idea is attach a rattle then wrap with lead
http://www.danblanton.com/viewpictures.php?id=148399



Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5648102 12/28/10 10:53 PM
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oh and george tell dan to get a different forum layout, lots of good information on his sight but navigating that forum is a pain in the as



Re: Articulated or animated flies [Re: 2FlyFish4] #5648146 12/28/10 11:03 PM
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Case, some how I got logged in with an old user name - my apologies - duh!!

I sure argree with you on navigating Dan's forum - I get in all sorts of problems posting pictures!
BUT - Dan has VERY strong opinions and this redneck Texas boy ain't rattlin' that cage!!!
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