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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: Bill Waldschmidt] #5455845 10/27/10 07:06 PM
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I think the TPWD rule is quite clear. The length of the fish is the longest possible length you can get from it.

I think some people are just pissed off about this weekend.

When there is a tough bite, and you're trying to weigh fish that barely keep on a normal lake, aren't you happy when the TD does everything possible to get your fish to touch 14"? You can't have it both ways. Just because you're trying to weigh unders, you can't expect the TD to do everything possible to get the shortest length he can.

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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: Canino] #5455949 10/27/10 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Canino

With that in mind I would like to see a tolerance allowed by law or TPWD rule. Maybe up to 1/4 inch. That would mean the Game Warden could measure your fish and if it is over the lower limit of the slot for example, it's still illegal. But if it's within a 1/4 inch there is no penalty other than maybe you lose the fish and/or maybe get a written warning ticket. Outside that 1/4 inch tolerance it's a ticket.


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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: water_surge] #5456431 10/27/10 09:26 PM
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Throw a little more confusion out. TP&W says a slot fish 14 inches and less or 24 or greater in length may be retained. according to that, a 14" fish is legal. BUT the game warden says 14" or longer is not legal to keep.


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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: J C Outdoors] #5456901 10/27/10 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: J C Outdoors


I have never and will never stroke a fish at my boards thus removing the protective slime, I will wipe one down on the tail occasionally just to get a good read on the tip of the tails as I use a pro-rule board for my trail and it is black and the tails are sometimes hard to see. Each tournament has there own means and methods and I am not knocking anyone's way of doing things.



I have seen this reason to rub the protective slime from a fish given several times in the last few days. Why don't the TD's use a WHITE background/board???? Or simply take 30 cents worth of sand paper and sand the board at the needed location.
Please....someone let me know why they use BLACK background.

Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: BB2Fan] #5457198 10/28/10 12:34 AM
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I am going to wrap mine with white tape in the critical areas. I would suggest all anglers do the same.

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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: J C Outdoors] #5457296 10/28/10 01:01 AM
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I guess this really comes into play on slot lakes, I have never had an issue with any TD or stick man. You usually can plead your case at the bump board, I know I asked for a 2nd measurement before. Many Tournaments offer courtesy checks. heck TDs don't want to make anyone mad so they try to make it easy for the angler to not get penalized. But no matter if the tail don't touch 14 its a short fish.

Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: BMCD] #5457458 10/28/10 01:42 AM
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Introducing tolerances is a bad idea that would cause worse confusion. So on fork if it touches 16 but is not over it's legal per TPWD but a TD won't allow those to be weighed in?

Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: crankbait 1] #5458697 10/28/10 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: crankbait 1
The TPWD regulation on measuring fish is pretty cut and dry and is used by all culbs and recreational anglers.
Below is out of the TPWD regulation book.
Use these guidelines to measure fish correctly (total length):
Place the fish on its side with the jaw closed.
Squeeze the tail fin together or turn it in a way to obtain the maximum overall length.
Measure a straight line from the tip of the snout to the extreme tip of the tail fin.
You can also fan the tail instead of squeezeing it together the key is over all length.
Now if you are referring to the topic where they petted the fish to make them relax so the fish length will increase then that's a practice that's not normally used in most club or open tour. I never seen it done before. The bottom line is that the fish will relax and could measure longer but if you were to take that fish to another table and board it would tense up again and you would have to do the petting/stroking again to relax him. In the years pass the only issue i've seen or heard about measuring a fish was folks not real clear on the 16 to 24 inch slot at fork as far as if a fish touched 16 inch mark was it legal. Yes it is but it cannot go over a smig if so then it's an illegal fish. Not to hi Jack your post but just wanted to state that the TPWD measurement on fish is OK and understood by most.

I can't say that I agree... The rules are simple and I wouldn't want them to
go overboard but there could be some clarifications made.I can read what it says
but then there is a picture below with a clear picture of a bass and the
tail being pinch to obtain the length. Then you have the picture of a
hardtailed fish with the tail being fanned. As we all know this question
comes up prior to every event as to how the fish will be measured.
Second is the board, why couldn't they declare an official stick of the
TPWD.(This would also generate a nice bidding war to create revenue)


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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: Bill Waldschmidt] #5463401 10/29/10 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
I think the TPWD rule is quite clear. The length of the fish is the longest possible length you can get from it.

I think some people are just pissed off about this weekend.

When there is a tough bite, and you're trying to weigh fish that barely keep on a normal lake, aren't you happy when the TD does everything possible to get your fish to touch 14"? You can't have it both ways. Just because you're trying to weigh unders, you can't expect the TD to do everything possible to get the shortest length he can.


Wwll I didnt' fish this last weekend so I'm not pissed off. Maybe TD should just add the exact proceess they will use to the rules they set. I really don't care how they measure the fish as long as the angler and the stickman are using the same method when it gets done...


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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: J C Outdoors] #5463746 10/29/10 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: J C Outdoors
I am going to wrap mine with white tape in the critical areas. I would suggest all anglers do the same.


I see no need to wrap a "ProRule" board with white tape or any other color. The ProRule boards are engraved in "silver" aluminum. The "rays" in the tail fin of a fish become quite visible when they "touch" or "go over" that silver etching. You can't miss it or misinterpret it. Adding a different color background may or may not improve your visibility of the "rays" in the fish's tail.

I think Greg Christainson has built the best measuring board for checking tournament bass.

I normally will work a fish only to try and give the angler the advantage of being able to weigh a "squeeker". If the fish I am measuring is short or long, making it outside the limits, without diliberatly working to make the measurement detrimental to the angler, I will call it as an illegal fish, charge the appropriate penalty, and move on. For a TD to diliberatly try to get a fish to measure outside the limits is boarder line dishonest. By deliberatly bumping the fish softly or pressing hard the measurer can change the result just enough on occasion to get the desired results he or she are after; hence the dishonesty.

This whole thing is much like baseball umpires, some can call it this way and some can call it another. Either way one side or the other is not going to be happy.

Modifying the law will not change the results it will just change the interpretation.

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Re: TPWD Measuring Regulations.... [Re: jwatts77] #5464571 10/29/10 10:44 PM
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Thank the Lord I am smarter than to gamble on tournaments and the honesty of the people invlved. If I have to do that I would quit fishing . It seems to me that so many want to be noticed at doing something ,to draw attention to themselve , that they use the tournaments for that platform instead of reasons that really count in life.

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