I hate it when people talk about this stuff and act like there is nothing we can do about it. How do you think we got where we are now? Because poeple got off ther butt and did something about it. They took time out of their life to fight for things that they believe in. We have so many people now, that unfortunately, just sit around and like to complain and talk about how it's bull [censored] but that there is nothing they can do about it. Who is your state representative? Call them every day. Write letters. Go out and get petitions together and visit their office to hand deliver them. That's how all these green wackos did it, and that's the only way to fight back. No one does this anymore but they feel they have the right to complain anyway. Stupid!

I'm actually surprised boat makers have not improved their engines to be able to handle the new trend in gas.
A lot of Fords ( my dad's taurus & my F-150 ) can run on E-85, that's 85% ethanol.

My guess will be that Yamaha will have one advertising compatibility within 2 years.

Whenever they decide to change to 15% or whatever new number they come up with, i just hope its somewhat cheaper so i can afford to run all the additives needed to keep my engines at least semi clean. They may make new, better, more efficient engines that run on more ethanol based fuels, but that doesn't mean i have the money to buy the latest and greatest thing.

I have contacted Yamaha for their opinion regarding 15% Ethanol in gasoline. This is what I have found out.

None of the Yamaha outboards are made to handle ethanol higher than 10%, this includes both 2 cycle and 4 cycle motors. Use of E15 will void your warranty.

There is no additive that can make them work! All of the additive�s currently on the market address phase separation. That is the tendency of the ethanol to separate from the gas while in your tank. Think about this if you have 50 gallons of E10 on board it has 5 gallons of ethanol in it, E15 would have 7.5 gallons! When separation occurs you have gasoline that has a very low octane that will blow up your motor and ethanol, which will blow up your motor!

The analogy given to me was this: If you put a gallon of milk on the table and use it in the morning and let it set until noon then put back in the refrigerator after it has begun to go bad; could anything be added to it to make it good again. All of the additive�s slow down the process of phase separation but none prevent it in the long run. Adding additive to your tank is like adding chocolate syrup to milk, it is just a glob of chocolate until you mix it up.

The E15 ruling can be stopped! Contact your congressmen and vote for those who will stop E15 from happening.

Bigron nailed it. I was waiting for someone to add such a post before I did. Hell yes they considered the damage it will do, and that is the overriding goal - Get rid of all carbon producing engines. They know the E15 will kill the fuel inefficient 2 cycle and FORCE manufacturers to dump millions if not billions into new technology and force everyone to spend thousands on a new engine and dump thier old ones. Same effect over 5 years ago when they removed all the sulfur from the Diesel - the government forced all the old diesel engines off the road. They passed the no sulfur ban, then offered the tax credit for scarpping your old diesel truck with a million miles but still ran good. Look at most of the Dielsel trucks on the road - Most are a newer model by design.

Look it up. The government knows exactly what they are doing but will not tell you the real reason.

You want another example look at the EPA emission regulations for vehicles - Fuel milage had to improve across all manufacturers fleet. Now, since fuel mileage is up and gasoline consumption is down - thus a reduction in taxes revenue from gasoline, now municipalities in some states are envoking a tax by the mile.

Its all about power and control. Sorry to go on a rant, but we need to get on the band wagon and take our country back from the worthless officials. Hit the poles and any incumbant needs thrown out. I dont care what party they stand for. We need to let Washington know you work for we the people and we will FIRE YOU ARSE!!!!

Sorry for the RANT but this really gets under my skin when all you have to do is sit back and think about it and compare it to history.

I'VE GOT IT, WE JUST START A TEA PARTY WITH SOME GAS!

Another 15 percent thread? Did any of you read the news about the new ethanol?

Its not mandatory like 10 percent was. The EPA is allowing producers to sell 15 percent ethanol because they showed it was safe for cars built from 2007 up. Its still not approved for cars built prior to 2007 nor boats.

So I don't think there will be much to do about this. I don't think we will see much of it and I don't think we will have a problem getting 10 percent gas at this time. In fact the total changeover to 10 percent is not supposed to be complete until 2012.

Don't be scared about the 15 percent. You don't have to use it and I doubt we will see much of it until sometime in the future if the ethanol producers show its safe in older cars.

if its not safe for pre 2007 cars now, how is waiting a year or two going to help those cars or boats..
"if the ethanol producers show its safe" ...yeah right..
its a EPA (Gore) scam and needs to be stopped..

10% was the first step. Now they are phasing in 15% until all engines will run on 15 and they will keep going up in % as long as they are making MONEY....They DON'T CARE how much extra it costs the consumer. Its all about the money for them.

The EPA is a bunch of power and money hungry scammers just like Congress. I can't wait to vote soon. I just hope that most of America realizes just how much we are being scammed by those that are in power and make the rules. Its time to take the country back.

Without a limit on the number of terms that can be served in Congress, it will be difficult to get these guys to change their ways. If the incumbents are ousted, the "new" guys will have the same incentive (or lack of) to change things to be the best for the masses. These guys all deal in one thing.....favors/money to get re-elected.

The system is flawed by not having term limits. Try getting Congress to impose term limits on themselves....right.

The voice of reason. Money talks... regardless who is in there.

Worse yet we tax payers subsidize this alcohol. The stuff is not economically viable with out our tax dollars susidizing it. Messed up huh?

What would we do if we did not put ethanol in gasoline? Anyone know?

Well I for one wouldn't have to worry about voiding my Mercury warranty or blowing the powerhead etc.

This whole Ethanol deal is just bad all around...
Ethanol mixed with regular gasoline is not good for any engine!!
If you use any percent mixer of Ethanol even 100% you will get lower MPG. These new E85 engines are going to get about 10+% lower MPG than if they ran on pure gasoline.

For many years the refining industry used a chemical called MTBE to meet the oxygenate requirements set forth by the EPA. Generally refiners used 15% MTBE and 85% gasoline. However MTBE has now been virtually eliminated in the US due to its carcinogenic compounds and the huge potential problems caused by its pollution of as much as 75% of the ground water in the US and Canada. This has left Ethanol as the primary additive to meet Federal and State oxygenate mandates.

Soooo, EPA has caused most of this and the reason we started using Ethanol in the first place.

You can never build an engine that will get BETTER MPG using Ethanol versus regular gasoline. Ethanol has a lower BTU rating than regular gasoline and will always give you lower MPG.

So what is the pro for using Ethanol? I can't find a single one. The only reason I can come up with is it replaced MTBE as a additive to help control oxygenate issues with emmisions.

Further the federal government currently subsidizes Ethanol with a $.51 per gallon tax credit that goes to the refiners or blenders. With E-10 this provides those refiners and or blenders with a $.051 per gallon subsidy on every gallon of gasoline that they sell.

So with that all being said maybe we need to research a better additive to meet the EPA's oxygenate requirements rather than complaining about the issue lets do the research to fix it all together.

I will support that research with my tax dollars all day long rather than other waste spending!!