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 Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: SC-001]
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06/30/10 04:33 AM
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Big Red 12
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I don't care for their hooks on them.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Big Red 12]
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06/30/10 04:39 AM
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bassing1
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i think a lot of people will go buy all of a stores inventory of the good baits, out of fear of the bait not being produced anymore and it will leave a ton of the zman baits sitting on the racks for a long time, this may not have been a good idea for them
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: bassing1]
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06/30/10 04:59 AM
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Allison1
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So, does this mean a jig producer can't sell a jig and then market a a a a blade to go along with it?
Or even someone marketing a blade to fit on a jig? It seems like the jig could not present a problem but the blade designed to fit on a jig might.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Matt McClellan]
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06/30/10 06:09 AM
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The Fishing Physicist
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This is going to be fun to watch. I’m betting that Z-Man is not going to gain much from this patent. Getting a patent is not the hard part, having Federal courts uphold the patent is the trick.
TFP
Above all else hold these two things in the greatest of circumspection; government and self. YOLO=Schiefspiegler   
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Fast Lane]
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06/30/10 06:11 AM
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The Fishing Physicist
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It doesn't accomplish much other than Z-man can say they invented it. If the knocks offs are just designed with a minuit difference or they're able to show evidence where they improved upon the exisiting patent then it is not infringing on the original patent. Also if one of the other big company's can show where they had developed one or a prototype before chatterbait developed theirs then they can keep on producing them also and make their patent null and void. I designed/invented several Nitrous Oxide Systems and nozzles designs for professional drag racing and have had to deal with this kind of stuff in the past. So in a nutshell not much will change. There maybe some letters sent back and forth but I doubt much will change. Spot on ^^^^ TFP
Above all else hold these two things in the greatest of circumspection; government and self. YOLO=Schiefspiegler
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: The Fishing Physicist]
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06/30/10 01:23 PM
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94sktr
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the original chatterbaits were made here. now they are made over seas and thats when the quality went to [censored]!!!!!!!!! there are other co. building better baits in USA and selling more than zman i figure , so that is why they are doing this . just my opinion.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: 94sktr]
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06/30/10 01:37 PM
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Rock River
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It is a utility patent & that is much more enforceable than a design patent. IE, the way it works vs how it looks.
One of the reasons soft plastics are copied constantly w/ very little or no changes - it's a design patent issue.
Really comes down to the lawyers, I'm guessing smaller companies making knock-offs that get a letter, will have to stop due to the cost of fighting it in court. Versions like Booyah w/ a definite change (their flexible cable hook) & larger pockets will be fine.
Since we're talking about lititgation, that was way more than my .02cents worth, more like a billable $22.02!
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: The Fishing Physicist]
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06/30/10 01:51 PM
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fouzman
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It doesn't accomplish much other than Z-man can say they invented it. If the knocks offs are just designed with a minuit difference or they're able to show evidence where they improved upon the exisiting patent then it is not infringing on the original patent. Also if one of the other big company's can show where they had developed one or a prototype before chatterbait developed theirs then they can keep on producing them also and make their patent null and void. I designed/invented several Nitrous Oxide Systems and nozzles designs for professional drag racing and have had to deal with this kind of stuff in the past. So in a nutshell not much will change. There maybe some letters sent back and forth but I doubt much will change. Spot on ^^^^ TFP Sounds kinda like the Humminbird/Lowrance situation with side imaging.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Rock River]
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06/30/10 01:51 PM
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Big Brown Bass
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Z-Man has a weekly infomercial that will cover this I'm sure......the name of the show escapes me.......ahhh I remember now, Fishing University...lol...
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Big Brown Bass]
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06/30/10 01:58 PM
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Bill Waldschmidt
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When I was taking IP classes in school, they taught us that you can only really enforce a patent if the idea or design is not yet "public knowledge", aka, is still kind of a secret, hasn't been on the market yet. These lures have been on the market for a long time, the competition had plenty of time to build off this design before the patent was issued. Will this be enforcable at all?
I am no expert on patent law and IP, but that is what I remember from school.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Matt McClellan]
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06/30/10 02:44 PM
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Joefishin
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Good for them! 
http://www.denalirods.com �Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after.� -Henry David Thoreau
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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06/30/10 03:07 PM
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Tim Cook
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I met the old man at the classic who invented the chatterbait when he was still making them in his upstairs spare bedroom. Demand outweighed capacity and he partnered with someone to mass produce them. Still have a few originals.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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06/30/10 03:18 PM
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TX Bass Ninja
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Ya poor quality, and it stinks that they got the pattent. Hopefully other companys will gett smart and make a small difference and get their own patternts.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: TX Bass Ninja]
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06/30/10 03:26 PM
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Big Red 12
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I liked the hooks they put on the Gambler version. Don't see it anymore.
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Re: Z-Man Lures is awarded chatterbait patent
[Re: Matt McClellan]
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06/30/10 03:51 PM
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T_Howard
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I was told by the folks at Phenix Jigs, that the patent is not necessarily on the design, but on the action (the way the blade bangs into the head, when retrieved)
Phenix has stopped building their version, but are working on other designs, and I'm sure others are as well....
the quality of the Z-Man has fallen so low, I'm not sure the patent will help them very much anyway
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