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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #4977737 06/15/10 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: SkeeterRonnie
there is knowledge.. they wont bite everything you throw at them, not even from every direction. meaning, you still have to figure out WHICH piles have fish, WHICH bait they want, and WHICH way they want it... there still a lot of time involved in fishing piles. One reason i dont spend a lot of time bass fishing them anymore. I cant stand sitting in one spot for hours trying to figure them out or waiting for them to "turn on" and bite.


I must admit that I do agree with you here!!

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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: armyangler024] #4978291 06/15/10 02:53 AM
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Wish I had more time to make and drop some pvc setups.




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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: StrikeWorks Tackle Co.] #4978429 06/15/10 03:27 AM
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what is a pvc setting?


Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: armyangler024] #4979289 06/15/10 01:47 PM
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I won't get into legalities or ethics, but what I will give is my opinion in the form of an analogy.....

Two deer hunters plan to hunt the same tract of land. A couple of weekends before the hunt, both hunters scout the land and form their individual plan.

Hunter "A" finds tracks in many places, but keys in on a natural choke point between an open grazing field and a bedding area. He notices fresh droppings and other signs. He plans to start his hunt in this area.

Hunter "B" also finds tracks and droppings. He sets up an automatic feeder in the middle of a trail.

Next weekend, the weekend before the hunt, both hunters re-visit the areas they had scouted.

Hunter "A" notices that there are still fresh droppings and tracks at the choke point. There are fresh breaks on some twigs. He finds random deer hair on the thickets. He also notices that one of the hoof prints is heavier than the rest. He is confident he has picked the right area.

Hunter "B" re-fills his feeder and checks his Game camera. He notices that a 10 Point Buck has been visiting the feeder right after sunrise. He is confident he has placed his feeder in the right area.

The weekend of the hunt, both hunters are in their respective spots right before sunrise.

Hunter "A" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking the natural choke point.

Hunter "B" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking his feeder.

Sunrise.....both hunters are rewarded for their efforts. Both hunters kill identical 10 point Bucks. Now, under the above circumstances, WHO IS THE BETTER HUNTER? hmmm





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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Mark Wendler] #4979339 06/15/10 01:56 PM
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Mark, exactly the analogy I was thinking of without all the detail.

I was wondering how many would say sinking brush piles was fine but hunting over corn was not? I get a kick out of folks who say hunting over feeders isn't fair, then locate their stands on corn fields, bean fields, etc. Absolutely no difference, IMO.



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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Mark Wendler] #4979341 06/15/10 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mark Wendler
I won't get into legalities or ethics, but what I will give is my opinion in the form of an analogy.....

Two deer hunters plan to hunt the same tract of land. A couple of weekends before the hunt, both hunters scout the land and form their individual plan.

Hunter "A" finds tracks in many places, but keys in on a natural choke point between an open grazing field and a bedding area. He notices fresh droppings and other signs. He plans to start his hunt in this area.

Hunter "B" also finds tracks and droppings. He sets up an automatic feeder in the middle of a trail.

Next weekend, the weekend before the hunt, both hunters re-visit the areas they had scouted.

Hunter "A" notices that there are still fresh droppings and tracks at the choke point. There are fresh breaks on some twigs. He finds random deer hair on the thickets. He also notices that one of the hoof prints is heavier than the rest. He is confident he has picked the right area.

Hunter "B" re-fills his feeder and checks his Game camera. He notices that a 10 Point Buck has been visiting the feeder right after sunrise. He is confident he has placed his feeder in the right area.

The weekend of the hunt, both hunters are in their respective spots right before sunrise.

Hunter "A" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking the natural choke point.

Hunter "B" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking his feeder.

Sunrise.....both hunters are rewarded for their efforts. Both hunters kill identical 10 point Bucks. Now, under the above circumstances, WHO IS THE BETTER HUNTER? hmmm

i dont agree at all....just because you have a deer feeder doesn't mean you just show up and kill a book deer every year...just because someone puts out a few brushpiles doesn't mean they are gonna show up every tournament and pull 20 pounds off of em...


Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Parker S.] #4979367 06/15/10 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Parker S.
Originally Posted By: Mark Wendler
I won't get into legalities or ethics, but what I will give is my opinion in the form of an analogy.....

Two deer hunters plan to hunt the same tract of land. A couple of weekends before the hunt, both hunters scout the land and form their individual plan.

Hunter "A" finds tracks in many places, but keys in on a natural choke point between an open grazing field and a bedding area. He notices fresh droppings and other signs. He plans to start his hunt in this area.

Hunter "B" also finds tracks and droppings. He sets up an automatic feeder in the middle of a trail.

Next weekend, the weekend before the hunt, both hunters re-visit the areas they had scouted.

Hunter "A" notices that there are still fresh droppings and tracks at the choke point. There are fresh breaks on some twigs. He finds random deer hair on the thickets. He also notices that one of the hoof prints is heavier than the rest. He is confident he has picked the right area.

Hunter "B" re-fills his feeder and checks his Game camera. He notices that a 10 Point Buck has been visiting the feeder right after sunrise. He is confident he has placed his feeder in the right area.

The weekend of the hunt, both hunters are in their respective spots right before sunrise.

Hunter "A" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking the natural choke point.

Hunter "B" is set-up at a vantage point overlooking his feeder.

Sunrise.....both hunters are rewarded for their efforts. Both hunters kill identical 10 point Bucks. Now, under the above circumstances, WHO IS THE BETTER HUNTER? hmmm

i dont agree at all....just because you have a deer feeder doesn't mean you just show up and kill a book deer every year...just because someone puts out a few brushpiles doesn't mean they are gonna show up every tournament and pull 20 pounds off of em...


I disagree, i've NEVER in my life EVER hunted a feeder and didn"t see at least a couple shooters. I'm not saying hunting over a feeder is bad, its all i really ever do, i'm just saying its like shooting fish in a barrel. Just the way i like it.


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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Marley's_Fishing_Buddy] #4979374 06/15/10 02:09 PM
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Smart but I personally don't do it. Maybe one out of fifty might consistently hold fish. I prefer to find structure and fish isolated cover on and around the structure. I don't have enough hours in the week to sweeten spots and fish. Starting out I think it is better training to learn how to find structure that hold fish. I structure fish.


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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: fouzman] #4979390 06/15/10 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
I get a kick out of folks who say hunting over feeders isn't fair, then locate their stands on corn fields, bean fields, etc. Absolutely no difference, IMO.


I think the difference, to me, is the skill level involved in identifying the natural occurring ambush spots in feeding areas, as opposed to the act of creating the feeding area in an ambush spot of your choosing. IMO (When speaking of Bass fishing)



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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Mark Wendler] #4979416 06/15/10 02:19 PM
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i think it was a GREAT analogy Mark!


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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Parker S.] #4979649 06/15/10 03:11 PM
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I think we could go on & on & on with this topic. Although, I do find it very interesting on how split everyone is on this topic.

The deer feeder example was spot on!

Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Jimmie Moreland] #4979652 06/15/10 03:11 PM
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so are you guys gonna tell me that if your fancy side imaging unit stumbles upon someones brushpile your pride will kick in and you aren't gonna fish it? don't make me call bs on you...
makes no difference who or how the brushpile got there if you fish it you're no better than the guy who put it there...


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I don't have a problem with them creating, building, them etc.. as if I see them fishing it I will mark it and come back later to find out what it is they were fishing.

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Originally Posted By: Parker S.
so are you guys gonna tell me that if your fancy side imaging unit stumbles upon someones brushpile your pride will kick in and you aren't gonna fish it? don't make me call bs on you...
makes no difference who or how the brushpile got there if you fish it you're no better than the guy who put it there...


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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart? [Re: Parker S.] #4979998 06/15/10 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Parker S.
so are you guys gonna tell me that if your fancy side imaging unit stumbles upon someones brushpile your pride will kick in and you aren't gonna fish it? don't make me call bs on you...
makes no difference who or how the brushpile got there if you fish it you're no better than the guy who put it there...


If I find a brush pile, with my non-SI unit, I personally have no means of readily identifying whether it is man-made, or naturally occurring. Besides, if we only fished naturally occurring cover & structure, then dock fishing would be off limits!

Originally Posted By: armyangler024
I have my own opinion, in a way I think its a smart way to catch fish, but when you use it for tournaments, are you really applying your own skills and knowledge to find structure through your electronics to find fish, or do you believe that is cheating? I personally believe it might be a cheating way..i might be wrong...


I believe the dilemma to this whole thread is......Intent. The intent, behind the act, of creating what is desired as a perceived hidden advantage (brush-pile), available only to the creator (or so they hope), in a contest, is what everyone seems to have a problem with. I think if you pull the contest out of this equation, then intentionally placed brush-piles could be a good thing. (that is if you like fishing intentionally placed feeders.Lol)








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