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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: newtothis] #4591678 03/11/10 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: newtothis
This is about protecting fishing forFROM all of us, especially the sportsmen.


Sorry Newtothis... the more I read on this, the more I don't like it. it's a typical government program, Take something that is working and keep "fixing" it until it's broken... Certain things just need to be left alone...


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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: buda13] #4592314 03/11/10 02:47 PM
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Keep on posting all the links you want, when access to your favorite water is restricted you can go back and read all of them to comfort you.



Lol...agreed. I haven't posted much in the last few months but Newtothis reminds me of a self-righteous know-it-all named Big Tex Nick. Everything said that casted doubt about the Obama administration was shot down by some link. I think it's funny that someone labels a link as propaganda, then substantiates it with a link. This administration is the least illuminated, least transparent, SCARIEST of all time. Look at the National debt and 20 years from now look at the impact. Most people agree that no matter if the contingent is Republican or Democratic, they're all crooked. That is why it is important to take the power out of the Federal government and give it back to the people.

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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: scooter79] #4592462 03/11/10 03:18 PM
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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: thedarkarcher] #4592477 03/11/10 03:21 PM
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Quote:

ESPN claims Obama is about to ban fishing

In what may be the worst example of outdoor sports reporting in the history of America, ESPN has claimed that President Barack Obama is on the verge of banning recreational fishing.

ESPNOutdoors.com writer Robert Montgomery posted an article today claiming that the administration's decision to end the public comment phase of the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force means that Obama is likely preparing to issue an executive order outlawing recreational fishing in America.

As a sportsman who covers fisheries management and politics I do think there are many issues surrounding the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force and its eventual recommendations that all fishermen should be aware of and concerned about.

But to go from concern to suggesting that President Obama is about to ban fishing in America is the most absurd and irresponsible thing I have ever seen a major news outlet publish. There is not even a remote possibility that a standing president of the United States will outlaw fishing in America.

And yet, Robert Montgomery presents his case that it is about to happen as if it is the most likely thing in the world.

ESPN should have to provide some answer for why they allowed this irresponsible article to be published under their logo.

Let me try to walk you through what is happening, and where this crazy ESPN story came from, so that you can see how a legitimate news source could so irrationally let something like this go public.

The Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force was created to study things like fishing and how it is regulated, and how we as fishermen we are managing our interaction with the environment.

To a sportsman like me, this is certainly a cause for attention and concern, as some fringe environmental groups have expressed foolish and extreme ideas about fishing which responsible anglers and sportsmen would certainly like to counter.

Most environmental groups, however, have legitimate concerns which recreational fishing groups can understand and work with to keep fishing open throughout America and still be wise stewards of the resource.

However, the conflicts between commercial fishing groups and environmental groups throughout the country have been much more rancorous, and it is certainly not all the environmentalists' fault.

In state after state for decades commercial fishermen have made poor choices and overharvested species of fish. Meanwhile both recreational anglers and environmentalists have fought to stop fish or other wildlife from being threatened or endangered due to unwise fishing practices.

Instead of attempting to find a compromise, commercial fishing groups have fought these efforts every step of the way. Because of that, the feud between the environmental groups and the commercial fishing groups has become harsh and bitter, filled with ugly, unethical politics on both sides.

What does this have to do with recreational fishermen? Right now, not a lot. In fact, recreational fishermen in many states have long been complaining themselves that commercial fishermen are not following proper and responsible species management procedures.

In fact, recreational anglers have often had to organize efforts like the Florida inshore gill net ban in 1994 to stop commercial fishing abuse, and in doing so environmental groups (far from being the green wackos they are portrayed as) have proven valuable allies to recreational fishermen.

Yes, some extreme groups are not liked by recreational anglers because their agenda really is extreme and, frankly, about as un-American you can get for a responsible southern sportsman like me. PETA is the biggest and best-funded example. I have no love for PETA or its allies. I do, however, appreciate many of the other more mainstream and sensible environmental organizations and support their efforts.

Most environmental groups have demonstrated the understanding that we must retain our nation's outdoors sports tradition while still protecting our natural resources. That is why the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force was created.

Am I going to agree with everything that this task force does? Probably not. Issues like access to fishery grounds and over-regulation of species without sound scientific data are legitimate concerns. However, in no way shape or form is the task force President Obama created about to ban recreational fishing. That is silly. ESPN should be ashamed.

No, it is the commercial fishermen who have much to fear. Many commercial fishermen are fine and responsible individuals, but as a group in state after state they have allowed short-term mismanagement of fish stocks in exchange for short-term profits.

I have been writing about these issues in North and South Carolina for over 15 years and I can tell you without hesitation the worst enemy of commercial fishermen has been commercial fishermen. I have been pleading with them for years to explore compromise on these issues, and they will not.

Now, they are in trouble and commercial groups know in a direct fight against environmentalists they will lose. So they are clinging to an amazingly brazen life line: they have decided to scare recreational fishermen in an effort to get recs like me to fight the environmentalists with them.

It is such a hypocritical stance I can't even begin to express it in words. It goes back to years and years of backroom good old boy politics that kept sensible fishing laws out of many places in the US (my home state of North Carolina is a great example, but there are plenty more).

Now, after attacking recreation fishermen for years and fighting them tooth and nail against any efforts to have responsible fisheries management in this country, commercial fishermen are trying to make us their best friends because they are so scared of the environmentalists.

Well, I'm scared too. I'm scared responsible recreational fishermen are going to get lumped together with irresponsible commercial fishermen. That is exactly what folks like Robert Montgomery want to see happen.

Recreation anglers give commercial fishermen more credibility and respect, because in almost every state responsible recreational fishermen have worked hard at things like reasonable size and creel limits on fish and keeping harmful interaction with wildlife to a minimum. Recs have done exactly what the commercial industry as a whole has not done: be responsible.

But if you lump all fishermen together and recs take on the sins of commercial fishermen then we are in trouble indeed. No, it will not be Obama banning fishing but it will be tougher regulations on anglers, I can assure you.

Many anglers may not understand and may do the same thing ESPN writer Robert Montgomery is doing: blame environmental groups and President Obama for the problem. And the commercial fishing industry will happily encourage them to do so. As recreational fishermen, we need to avoid that at all cost.

I have been fighting with commercial fishermen for years over their lack of responsibility and self-management. To think that I will now be blamed for their actions infuriates me.

But I am not mad at environmental groups or President Obama, I am angry at the people who caused the problems in the first place and now hang like an albatross around a simple recreational fisherman's neck.

No, Obama is not about to ban recreational fishing. We are about to see, however, commercial fishermen answer for past decades of abuse of our natural resources.

I, for one, do not want to see all commercial fisherman lose their businesses. I think they are a valuable and important part of our nation. But I can tell you this (from long experience): the leaders of the commercial fishing lobby are irresponsible and poor stewards of the environment. And they are now playing desperation politics, trying to get responsible recreational anglers to take the bait.

That makes all fishermen look bad, including folks like me who have actually been calling for commercial fishing reform for years.

President Obama may not be about to ban fishing but there are more difficult times for fishermen ahead. Before we start pointing fingers at environmentalists and believing wild conspiracies we need to look at fisheries management history and put the blame for this all where it really belongs.
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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: thedarkarcher] #4592548 03/11/10 03:37 PM
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ESPN's Clarification


Also, Executive Order 13366.
Google.


Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: Hookem] #4592701 03/11/10 04:08 PM
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looks like ESPN has backed off what Mr. Montgomery has said.

Demonize me all you want, make accusations about my loyalty to this country, or my ability to see things clearly.

all i know, is that the freaking out that just happened over that article was a huge overreaction and even the publishers of that article are apologizing for it.

Its easy to say things like "this president is scary", and "this administration is the least transparent" but in the real world its important to back up claims like that.

I'm sure its a bad idea to try to discuss these things here, but my original comment was merely an attempt to shed some light on the situation and bring the discussion back down to reality. freaking out and claiming Obama is the Antichrist does not empower or strengthen your positions.

anyway.. I'm happy to see that ESPN is backing away from that story, maybe journalism isn't quite dead yet.



Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: newtothis] #4592771 03/11/10 04:29 PM
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keep up the good fight, just rememeber that you can't reason with the unreasonable. Some people just like to regurgitate what they hear from the news media instead of formulating thier own opinions.

Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: SmellMyfinger] #4592807 03/11/10 04:42 PM
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Not sure how this fits into an open freshwater discussion, but can we get a mod to delete this thread? It's completely irrelevant... As much as I can't stand our Government, nothing of that sort was said.. It goes something like this:

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Obama Fishing Ban:To Ban Sport Fishing? – Obama fishing ban hoax is spreading like wild fire on the internet.Earlier today few media outlets including ESPN decided to report a false story that claimed Obama was planing to ban fishing as a sport.The truth of the matter is that the administration has decided to back a worldwide ban on fishing or trade in Bluefin Tuna in hope to preserve the stocks that remain.The New York Times has more on the story:

“There is no doubt that the species is in desperate trouble. Stocks of Atlantic and Mediterranean bluefin declined by more than 70 percent between 1957 and 2007, and by more than 60 percent in the last decade alone. Stocks in the Western Atlantic, including the United States, have stabilized but at a very low level. The decline has been driven by a growing global appetite for tuna, and by the rapid mechanization of industrial fishing, chiefly purse-seining operations that allow for the capture of entire schools of tuna at once.”


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Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: SmellMyfinger] #4592838 03/11/10 04:49 PM
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thanks man..

A long time ago i came to the conclusion that these arguments break down to a personal hatred of the other side based on a basic misunderstanding of that side..

I have a very liberal friend who hates republicans so much that she gets upset at a southern accent.

Personally, I have friends across the entire political spectrum, and I confront every one of them if I see them on BS.

I have been in the underdog on so many occasions defending big trucks or guns, and have seen the hatred from both angles.

oh well..

anybody here ever shoot a full auto M-16? fun stuff

Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: newtothis] #4592851 03/11/10 04:53 PM
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if anybody wants an idea of what the bluefin tuna ban will look like..

look up the history of the CCA and it's protection of Red Drum

the same exact thing is being proposed to protect the bluefin.

I sure am glad the CCA came to the defense of reds, so that i have the opportunity to catch and eat those magnificent fish.

Re: NOAA Eliminating Recreational Fishing. Obama Adm Will Accept No More Public Input [Re: newtothis] #4596579 03/12/10 01:05 PM
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am so amused the "teaser" for the story is "will take no more public comment"

some legislation, even at a city council level, requires public comment period, and there is a point no more comment is allowed
every time


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