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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: horseplaydvm]
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02/10/10 05:43 PM
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Razorback
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We sure have lot of fish biologists on the TFF. Agree. Last I heard these people killing bass pay the same fishing license fee that I do. I don't keep Bass, but I don't gripe about those that do as long as they abide by the same laws and regulations. I think this discussion has been mainly about people who intend to release fish but are keeping them in their livewells all day or are keeping them out of the water for a long time for pictures and bragging, not about people who intend to eat what they catch. I agree that if you want to eat fish that you caught legally it is your right. You won't get an argument from me there. What I do hate to see is fish that were intended to be released alive ending up dead because of the way they are handled.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: FZ1]
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02/10/10 05:45 PM
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Bruce's
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One of the most successful things that has help was the Bass fisherman practicing catch and release,,and the state of Texas for there breeding programs,,do you think that the native bass would have gotten that big, No,,,the florida strain is what brought Texas fishing to what it is,,,And as i have said before even before Bass and FLW went to these lake go spend a day at the cleaning stations,. or watch the Border side fisherman keep everything they catch
Fishing Texas lakes one at a time
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Razorback]
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02/10/10 05:46 PM
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JCBfromTHF
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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02/10/10 05:50 PM
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Boo in FW
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I try and keep my camera close but keeping the fish wet is the one of the most important things. They have a air bladder that is good for a minute or two not that I would ever make them use it all.Again the faster you put them back the better. I think a guy can get just as much respect by releasing a big fish. As he can by taking it in or turning it over to TP&W. So Marc, I'm assuming you're not a proponent of the Sharelunker program? I'm not experienced enough to have an opinion either way so I really want to hear your thoughts. Are all sharelunkers taken to Athens? I thought there were several hatcheries around the state they can use, which would reduce the travel time.
Boo Springtown, TX ![[Linked Image]](http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g296/hart3367/rangers-logo2.jpg)
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Boo in FW]
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02/10/10 06:11 PM
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chunk&wind
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I read the article on the study that was done in Oklahoma about the mortality rate. I think it was an interesting study but I would want some more information....Like what size tournament was it and what type of boats were being used (new vs. old- big difference in livewell systems). Also, what depth were the fish caught from vs. what depth they were being held at. Fish coming out of deep water in the summer and then being held in shallow boat stalls could have an effect on them vs. them being released and being able to quickly get back out to a comfortable depth and temp that they came from.
I believe that most serious tournament fisherman that fish large tournaments do everything they possibly can to ensure the health of the fish throughout the day so that we are not penalized for dead fish at weigh in.
What I would like to see is for all tournaments to identify the fish that are weak or at risk of surviving and set those fish aside so that they can be cleaned and eaten vs. released to die and be a waste. But of course if they did that, then we would be having the discussion of tournaments cleaning and eating fish!!! It's a shame you can't just do what is the most logical thing for a resource because of the backlash from others opinions.
Those that don't fish tournaments think it's wrong to carry a fish in a livewell, those that don't eat fish think it's wrong to filet them, those that don't fish at all think it's wrong to set a hook into them because it puts them in pain, those that are vegetarians don't want to catch, kill or eat anythin that is alive.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: chunk&wind]
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02/10/10 06:17 PM
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HawgHauler
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For the record, I have no problem with someone legally catching a fish and choosing to eat it. I am also not a tournament fishermen. My opinion of tournaments is the same as my opinion on the SAL program. In my not completely informed opinion, both cause the unnecessary death of large fish.
I'm sure their are noticeable advantages to the SAL program and tournaments with regards to the sport of fishing. Having not participated in either, I just don't know what they are.
I have a Largemouth at home....sometimes she lets me go fishing.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Jamey Pennington]
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02/10/10 06:32 PM
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TheGallet
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I just dont see a point to killing a big hawg, you can catch plenty of smaller fish. Its a crime to kill a pregnant woman right!?
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: HawgHauler]
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02/10/10 06:40 PM
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Fast_action_rod
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I practice quick catch and release. I feel that if any one of you catch a fish legally then that fish is your property rightfully so, if you want to eat it, fine. Some of you have a lot of money invested in your passion, I'm not going tell what to do. But, if your intent is to release a heathly fish, then take some time to inform yourself. I will continue to catch fish regardless.
Having said that, have fun.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Falconer]
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02/10/10 06:42 PM
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Lake Fork Guide
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I do not know if this will help, but if it saves a few fish lifes it will help. I have noticed a lot of big fish being killed. This is got to stop or we are headed for bad days. Guys this is our spawing season and if you put these big sows in you livewell and keep them in it all day for a group picture or to show you buddies it is a death sentence. If you want to eat some fish that is ok just keep your smallest five not the biggest. All that I want is that you respect the resorce even if it is not your home lake. i agree, but most of the fisherman/women who are cleaning lots of bass at falcon more than likely dont frequent the texas fishing forum. keep the word spreading tho, every bit helps
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: 921ELITE Cranker]
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02/10/10 06:45 PM
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I agree. I was down there a few weeks ago and was fishing in an area with two other boats that were obviously "Winter Texans". I overheard them conversing on how many they had caught between the two boats and that the "Ten Pounder from yesterday" filled up a full ziplock bag. Makes me sick and I wish they would go back North to there Walleyes. We used to fish a lot of winters at Fairfield back in the early 90's because it had some toads. I can't tell you how many double digit fish we saw Snowbirds clean... but they Cleaned that little lake out of Hawgs in just a few years. The bad part was they got them Pre Spawn or off the Beds full of eggs. Taking Hawgs and their Spawn out will ruin a small lake in no time.
It's not by any means an Isolated event on any one lake . We as Tournament fisherman and Guides need to remember that not everyone has our same views on Bass conservation. A lot of recreational fishermen have no education on fish care and unless you take time to help them learn... they will continue to unknowingly abuse the resource. They have no Idea it is wrong to keep a fish out of water for several minutes at a time or drag a Spawning Female around in their boat with the aireators off all day just to show it off. No Idea it is bad to hold a fish horizontal jacking open their Jaw.
We had some guys fishing the Aviation Tournament last April that had never heard of Surelife Products... Catch And Release/ Please Release Me live well additive. They had a nice sack 25# of fish with a good 8.50# kicker Female that was in bad shape and ask me if I thought she would make it? I got them some Ice and a bottle of Catch and Release out of my boat.. We sat there and worked with her for an hour or so and got her upright and stable. If I had not taken the time to help a competitor she would have died before weigh in. We made sure they had enough Surelife Catch and Release to last them thru day two even though they were whippin us bad because we cared more about long term survival of the fish.
All Of Us have to take it upon Our selves to help educate these people when we have the opportunity. Some will listen... some will tell you to mind your own business and I can accept that because at lease I tried. If WE don't try to educate them they will continue to mishandle fish the way they were when We last saw them. Their friends and children will pass this standard of fish handling along to others.
It only takes a few minutes to help save hundreds of fish over their life time. Multiply that by a few hundred you reached out too and it has a broad reaching effect because they may start to help others learn conservation as well. We as Sportsmen have to tend our own flock because it's obvious they will not learn it by themselves.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Bazztex]
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02/10/10 06:53 PM
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Joefishin
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Well said Bazz 
http://www.denalirods.com �Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after.� -Henry David Thoreau
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Joefishin]
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02/10/10 06:58 PM
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chunk&wind
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Nice post Bazz....we can not force our on opinions and beliefs on others but there is nothing wrong with a little education.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Bazztex]
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02/10/10 06:59 PM
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Troyz
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good points Bazztex. I would take a little exception to your statement about tournament fishermen remembering that recreational fishermen have no education on fish care. That applies to tournament fishermen as well. You still see and hear about tournament fishermen hauling fish around without taking proper care of them, taking the fish to weigh-in with no water in their bag etc etc. But I completely agree that it is up to us to to help educate and get people to change their ways.
I wish tournaments would enact a rule that does not allow weighing in of a dead fish and enforce the rule of no culling dead fish. That would be good incentive for people to take better care of their fish.
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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02/10/10 07:09 PM
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Zach Starling
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I agree, what a stupid thing to do is hold a fish all day just to show your buddies. Take a picture and let her go. The faster the better. I was there at the end of Jan and I was getting off the lake and I notice a guy holding two fish out of the water one about 6 pounds the other about 4 pounds. They were out of the water about 5 min and one of the younger guys in the group runs over to me and ask for a scale to weigh the biggest one I looked at it from a distance and made a guess but still loaned him the scale. They weighed the fish and as I looked back after getting my scale back they had a net full of bass 5-8 fish for sure and were taking them back to the water. I looked at my guys said a few things and said well it is to late for those fish now. I really cannot stand to see this anywhere your lake or our lake here. I have noticed over the years several times and I think teaching is one thing but most people do not listen. Sad day for the fish. I have always said it takes to long to grow a big fish and it only takes a minute to kill it. +1 I agree
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Re: Please have some respect for Falcon
[Re: TheGallet]
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02/10/10 07:15 PM
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WaterLogged
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I just dont see a point to killing a big hawg, you can catch plenty of smaller fish. Its a crime to kill a pregnant woman right!? Its a crime to kill a woman period, its 2 crimes to kill a pregnant woman. not that you didnt know that already. Maybe at some of these shows someone should do Fish Care Seminars....for FREE and maybe educate the more weekend fisherman.
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