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Re: Could it be Injectors?
[Re: fordnut]
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11/14/09 12:53 AM
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I had someone tell me it could be the TPS ( Throttle Positioning Sensor) Would that cause it no send fuel?? Thought the TPS just regulated idle??
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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11/14/09 01:22 AM
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no the tps wont cause a no fuel condition,but you can check by unhooking the tps and starting the truck it should go to a default setting and start and run,as far as the real problem it is hard to diagnose something by computer without proper fuel pressure readings and also voltage readings at the relay and to the fuel pump,as stated that year truck could also have a bad harness at the fuel pump causing an intermittent connection and as it starts to warm up finally make good enough contact to run. with it doing it only at start up i would suggest checking the harness at the fuel pump first,and im not talking about just poking a test light into it to see if it has power and are ground you will also need to see if the terminals have proper tension on them also,i wish i was closer to you i would take a look at it.as you can see throwing parts at a problem can and will get expensive and can be very frustrating also.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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11/14/09 04:31 AM
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bad f/p regulator on the TBI unit. common issue dating back to '88 on chevy pickups. my first thought as well. with technology nowdays.. you HAVE to have pressure readings, computer scanners, etc. a fuel pressure gauge is much needed in diagnosing a fuel delivery issue.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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11/14/09 01:56 PM
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checked ignition switch yet?
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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11/17/09 01:04 AM
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It has gotten so stressful I have taken a break from it.. I will keep all of yalls ideas on how-to solve the problem and mind and when I get back to it Ill post some results.
Thanks Guys!
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/16/09 12:57 AM
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Alrighty fellas,
Well it finally crapped out on me at the deer lease! Wouldnt even start with starting fluid. Seems now no spark??! So had another Chevy pull me on home on the trailer. Someone had told me that the Module could be the answer? Causing no fuel and no spark?
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/17/09 06:57 PM
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No need to spend money on a fuel pressure gauge if you have an old set of A/C gauges for R12 laying around. Since they are of no use anymore they will work for fuel pressure. If the pressure does not come up to spec. within a few seconds of turning the key, it will not fire. My old Surburban you would have to cycle the key several times to get the pressure up.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/18/09 12:25 AM
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did you ever replace the pick up coil under the rotor in the dististbor. it connects to the module there inside.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/18/09 01:04 AM
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The best way to definitely check for spark, is to remove a spark plug wire, and use an old, but good condion spark plug. Hold it close to the block, while someone cranks. If you do get a spark, and it's orangey in color, it could be coil that's going or module. The coil you can take in and get checked out at any Auto Zone or O'Reilly's. If there is no spark at all,remove the cap and the coil wire, and have someone crank the engine for about 3 seconds. If the rotor does not turn, or turns erratically, timing is your primary problem, but still check out the distirbutor. Bump the engine to top Dead Center,also mark the distibutor boday as to the location of the metal tip on the rotor, and remove the distributor. Remove the cap and look at the inside, check for the carbon tip, and the nside for any "carbon tracking". You can check the cap and the rotor white it's in the vehicle. If the parts look good, then slowly turn the bottom gear on the distributor, and watch and feel how it turns. The "pick up coil" is in the center of the distributor, just outside the shaft. Looking at it, you can see several small triangular points. Now, looking at them, still slowly turning the distibutor, see how much of a gap is between each point, and the "gear" that is just inside the pick up assembly. If the gear touches, or rubs against any of the triangles, that is the problem. When that happens, it will fry your module. You should check out the inner bushing on the distrubutor body also. The only way to separate the inner and out distributor parts is to use a small knock out punch, and tap out the roll pin just above the bottome gear on the housing. Once that is done, you can visually inspect the bushing for any excessive wear and wobble. If any of that is apparent, replace the distributor. But, do yourself a favor, if you do have to replace it, check out the pickup and the gear clearances. It has happened many times that you amy still get a bad one, due to shipping and poor alignment.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/18/09 01:11 AM
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You can also check for fuel flow by removing the cap on the fuel line, with the coil disconnected, and use a small screwdriver to depress the valve stem. Have someone crank, and you check if you get a steady pump or stream, the problem is not the fuel pump, or filter. Normally when the reg. goes bad, it runs extrememly rich, blowing black smoke and smelling like gas out the exhaust. No one asked, what is the mileage? Has any ot he timing components been replace since you've had it? Has anyone checke dthe valve timing??
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/18/09 01:18 AM
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Have you had any diagnostics done? Check you Mass airflow and or map sensors too...after thought. sorry......you can check them with a multi-meter...repair manual will give specifications, so will the dealer......
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/19/09 03:18 AM
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mileage is up somewhere near 200K Ive had it 3 yrs and only thing that has been replaced on it has been a distributor cap and the intake mani. along with normal tune-ups. once i changed the cap out it ran fine for about 100miles maybe and then just DIED.
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/19/09 03:26 PM
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Do you have a digital VOM and know how to use it?
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/20/09 01:22 AM
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Have you checked the fuel pressure regulator yet? If your pressure is not up to par, that could be a major problem. Have you checked on the timing? When you replaced the cap, did you replace the rotor? They work in conjunction with each other...never replace one without the other. A really dumb question here, have you checked fuses for the ignition system yet? On that model, I believe there are 2 ....trying to help, without taking it into a shop... Keep us posted, there is a way around this, just keep us posted, it is doable...... Another dumb question, how does the inside of your tailpipe look? Does it have a lot of "fresh" carbon buildup? If you can take your finger, and rub it around the pipe, and it comes away with a very , and I do mean very, good coating of carbon buildup, it points more to the regualator. Too much gas, not eanough air for the mixture...How do the plugs look? If they also have a lot of carbon....you know where this is going.....
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Re: Could it be Injectors?
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12/20/09 03:13 AM
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i have the truck parked at my dads. i will try to get by there and check the things you mentioned intexas. im really appreciating all the suggestions guys!
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