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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Hail Boy]
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08/11/09 08:37 PM
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Day0ne
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Kind of a sweeping statement considering reels like the Okuma Cavalla and some of the high end spinners they make. That said, I believe every one is suggesting awfull heavy gear for 15 mi offshore. An Ambassadeur 6000 or 7000 would be plenty. If you like Penn, some of the old stand by's such as a Jigmaster, or a 209/309 would be plenty. A 4/0 wide is way overkill. A Shimano TLD Star 15/30 or 20/40 would be nice or perhaps a TLD 15 (great all round reel). For spinners, while a Shimano Speros 18000, or a Saragosa 18000/20000 are nice reels, they are not needed for 15 mi offshore. Even an 8000 series is more than needed. I fished up to 70 mi offshore for years with nothing more than an Abu 7000 and a decent rod. Never had a problem D
David
"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Day0ne]
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08/11/09 11:22 PM
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ReelDeal07
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I second the opinion on the daiwa sealine and saltist. Iv'e got 4 of them now and love em. Never had any problems with any of them. The Abu 7000 is another good one but i still prefer the saltist, just incase you run into some good cobia action.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: ReelDeal07]
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08/12/09 07:11 PM
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LRS
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Okuma is junk, 2nd that. A couple of years ago, I bought one from academy, something on it broke, don't remember what. Returned it, got an identical replacement, it did not work. Not tried another since.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: LRS]
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09/01/09 11:06 PM
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trapperben
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Okuma is going through changes, think it is Tiberon that is starting to help them improve quality this year. Charkbait even started selling them particularly the Cavalla mentioned above. I don't own or want/need any but based on what I have read the newer equipment they offer is much better. Tiberon does not do junk. I have not heard anything good about the older equipment though.
I would suggest you look at equipment you can use for some fresh water or bay applications, a jigmaster for example is a great catfish reel. The Senators are great reels but to me pretty specialized for bottom fishing or trolling for big fish, I would not want to try to cast one all day.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: trapperben]
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09/02/09 03:08 AM
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bigscrnman
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Okuma is still junk! I had 2 of the Cavalla's and niether one lasted through a single trip for YFT! If you are fishing inside 15 miles, and want a good spinner then go to shimano-thunnus, spheros, or saragossa in a 10K to 18K size. These offer outstanding line capacity and reliable drags for a fairly reasonable price. You probably don't need the performance of a Stella (simply the best spinner ever buildt) but you do want to get gear that is gonna hold up with reasonable maintenance. Spool up with a good quality braid in 65# and use a mono leader. Kings, cobia, jacks, sharks etc are no problem and plenty of fun. For conventional gear I would look at either diawa saltist or saltiga and shimano torium in a 30 size. Once again, good gear at a moderate price with plenty of capability just in case. For rods in that performance class and price range it is really hard to beat an ugly stick for either conventional or spinning. And for all of you abu-garcia guy's out there, here is a lesson learned by someone on a tuna trip with me this past weekend. Offshore fish don't play! Some guy was trying to use a 7000 for blackfin tuna and looked shocked when a 15# black SMOKED his reel. No need to go over the top on gear, but don't bring a BB GUN TO AN ELEPHANT HUNT!!!!!!
Dewayne
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: bigscrnman]
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09/02/09 09:01 PM
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jig
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I'm still selling the two newell outfits mentioned above if interested.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Boomhauer]
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09/23/09 05:03 PM
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Pinchin' Crab
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A lot of great suggestions here. I fish Penns, Shimanos, Daiwas, Quantums and Avets. I had one Okuma that basically self destructed when a big king/wahoo started ripping line off at a very rapid rate. No more Okuma for me.
I want to second the Shimano TLD Star reels. Very few people reallize just how capable these are. Very heavy stainless gears, great anti-reverse, very affordable and light. Put in a set of Penn HT100 greased drags and you can even put out 20+ pounds of drag. They are very affordable giant killers that I would rate above the more expensive Toriums (I fish both).
I love my Penns and Daiwa makes a super reel as well.
My suggestions for 15 mile trips would be Daiwa Sealine 300H, Shimano TLD Star or Penn 112H Senator for conventionals. All are very durable and affordable. If you plan on fishing for shark, grouper and AJ, you may want to step up to a 4/0 or 6/0 size Senator or Sealine. I personally don't want a level wind reel offshore, so no Penn GTIs for me. For affordable and effective spinners, try a Shimano Spheros 8000, Quantum Boca 50/60 or Penn 7500SS with some braid.
I custom make most of my rods but there are lots of good off the shelf rods out there. A good, affordable all purpose rod for conventional reels is the Ugly Stick Tiger. You really don't need a solid glass broomstick for the fish you will encounter.
You should be able to take on 99.9% of the fish that you will find within 15 miles. Good Luck!
Last edited by Pinchin' Crab; 09/23/09 05:11 PM.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Pinchin' Crab]
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09/29/09 07:00 PM
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Day0ne
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I want to second the Shimano TLD Star reels. Very few people reallize just how capable these are. Very heavy stainless gears, great anti-reverse, very affordable and light. Put in a set of Penn HT100 greased drags and you can even put out 20+ pounds of drag. They are very affordable giant killers that I would rate above the more expensive Toriums (I fish both). I've seen a TLD Star slay a bunch of blackfin. I have 7 including Speedmasters. Also, don't forget the Charter Specials. 22lbs of drag at strike and 33 max in a small package My suggestions for 15 mile trips would be Daiwa Sealine 300H, Shimano TLD Star or Penn 112H Senator for conventionals. All are very durable and affordable. If you plan on fishing for shark, grouper and AJ, you may want to step up to a 4/0 or 6/0 size Senator or Sealine. I personally don't want a level wind reel offshore, so no Penn GTIs for me. For affordable and effective spinners, try a Shimano Spheros 8000, Quantum Boca 50/60 or Penn 7500SS with some braid.
You should be able to take on 99.9% of the fish that you will find within 15 miles. Good Luck! Great suggestions. On my Abu's I always removed the level winds to prevent problems. The size suggestions on the spinners also make more sense. Who wants to deal with the size and weight of a18K sizes reel when a 6K-8K size will do the job
David
"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Day0ne]
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10/04/09 11:43 PM
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TheRodFather
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Either shimano or daiwa products are the best...chuck the abu garcias and okumas in the trash..and sell off your penns to an unsuspecting buyer cause they suck as well...the new daiwa saltist spinning reel is a must have...best reel you are gonna find for the money and it won the ICAST new product of the year...TLD is ok but I would go with a TYRNOS...if you are going to put the time and effort into fishing offshore you might as well spend a little extra money to get the right tackle that isn't going to make you look bad when you get schooled by a big fish.
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: TheRodFather]
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10/07/09 03:48 AM
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TheGoat
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Either shimano or daiwa products are the best...chuck the abu garcias and okumas in the trash..and sell off your penns to an unsuspecting buyer cause they suck as well...the new daiwa saltist spinning reel is a must have...best reel you are gonna find for the money and it won the ICAST new product of the year...TLD is ok but I would go with a TYRNOS...if you are going to put the time and effort into fishing offshore you might as well spend a little extra money to get the right tackle that isn't going to make you look bad when you get schooled by a big fish. +1 on that! Just bought the saltist 6500 for a new popping setup with an oti tuna sniper. Can't wait to test it out!
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: Day0ne]
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10/13/09 05:00 AM
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Capt'n Wings
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Kind of a sweeping statement considering reels like the Okuma Cavalla and some of the high end spinners they make. That said, I believe every one is suggesting awfull heavy gear for 15 mi offshore. An Ambassadeur 6000 or 7000 would be plenty. If you like Penn, some of the old stand by's such as a Jigmaster, or a 209/309 would be plenty. A 4/0 wide is way overkill. A Shimano TLD Star 15/30 or 20/40 would be nice or perhaps a TLD 15 (great all round reel). For spinners, while a Shimano Speros 18000, or a Saragosa 18000/20000 are nice reels, they are not needed for 15 mi offshore. Even an 8000 series is more than needed. I fished up to 70 mi offshore for years with nothing more than an Abu 7000 and a decent rod. Never had a problem D +1 Penn 309 or Abu 7000.
"Faith requires one to elevate the practice of not thinking to a virtue," Mark Twain
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Re: Off Shore Rod & Reel Suggestions
[Re: TheGoat]
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10/29/09 07:42 PM
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Pinchin' Crab
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Some Penn products may not be up to the Shimano or Daiwa standards but I challenge anyone to fish the 113HN, torque or older SS reels and still refer to them as "junk". I've fished with Penns that were catching fish before Shimano or Daiwa ever imported a reel to the US. I can't say they are superior to those brands but not hardly junk.
1979 19'6" Aquasport CC "Pinchin' Crab" 2001 19'10" Cape Horn Custom Rod Builder ROLL TIDE!!
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