that's all they are "a rose by any other name....." They just don't have hackle palmered on is all.

Christian: I am in the same boat as you. Been tying them for years...I didn't know they had a name. They sure do work.

Big Dale

Me too -

ok Robin I need to know what size hook and what did you use.

#6 streamer hook, white marabou tail, white crystal chenille (or some similar flashy white material, there are a few out there) and bead chain eye, this case some black

Schminnows are good bass and white bass flies.
Robin are you the left handed pea and Dale the right handed pea?

Robin: I bet Evan could tie some of those, but he might want to use a little heavier rod that that old 2 Weight Loomis.

Big Dale

if he is right handed, then yes!

Yes, I believe that roll casting might be the way to go at first. He did pretty OK roll casting a three weight line on that Sage.

Robin:

Nice flies. I've been tying mine with Grande Estaz, which gives them a bulkier body and allows them to sink more slowly. I tie shallow-running ones on stainless steel streamer hooks with black beadchain eyes, and the sinkers on jig hooks with Real Eyes.

I've only tied them in white, chartreuse, and olive so far, but have some blue grande estaz on order.

thank you Mick. I believe I'll have to get some of that Grand Esatz, Barlow's was a bit limited in that resource.

Feather-Craft's and Bob Marriott's online stores carry it.

Nice! Feather-Craft has a huge selction of chenilles it seems.

Kelly: When you arre ordering that stuff remember that old saying "There ain't no use if it ain't chartreuse."

Big Dale

lol...how well I remember that little phrase...I needed some thread, and a bucktail...while I was at it I decided to get that EZ Body stuff. I think I bought it in pearl though, since it is just for the head. I don't think I have seen chartreuese estaz.