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 Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: its a fluke]
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07/06/09 01:33 PM
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Slug-Go
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how many summertime bass tournaments were there in the early 1900's? because there isnt a problem now means there never will be? The driving point was this specie has been targeted for over 100 years and there doesn't seem to be a shortage of fish or lack of size. we are talking about trying to keep the genetics of big fish moving along the same positive track they are on now. By your own admission the genetics of big fish is currently on a positive track, without barbless hook regulations, meaning the currently regulations (slots, limits, etc) are working. Again, no change needed...
My opinion is worth what you paid for it...
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: its a fluke]
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07/06/09 06:19 PM
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buda13
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How will barbless hooks work when a 5 pound plus comes up shaking her head with your rattletrap/crankbait in her face? It will shoot the trap out it's mouth like a bullet leaving a gun About one head shake and that's all she wrote.......... so we are discussing ways to help sustain the species and your main concern is they might shake off of a rattle trap? sheer genius and some long range thinking there. if your worried about one getting away, blow them up with dynamite and they wont escape that way either einstein. Since you are so educated on this and we are all so stupid, mabey you can enlighten us with some facts as to how much trouble the bass species is in? How much have the numbers declined? Whats the mortality rate of a fish caught on a barbed hook VS a non barbed hook? I mean you want to help sustain it, why would a THRIVING species need help being sustained? If you wanna make people feel stupid at least give up some numbers from your research on this topic.
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: John175☮]
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07/06/09 06:21 PM
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Mark Perry
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Those who are in favor of barbless hooks please feel free to lead by example. In fact while you're at it feel free not to fish the spawn or water over 80. I appreciate anyone willing to lead by example. good points
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: Mark Perry]
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07/06/09 06:42 PM
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fouzman
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I used to be a member of and guide for The Lakes of Danbury. We were relegated to barbless hooks, only. I never noticed much difference in
lost fish due to barbless, and I literally caught 1000's over 7 pounds on them. Not only soft plastics, but baits with trebles, too. Rattletraps, Spooks, you name it. And they will not throw the lure with one head shake...IF you maintain a tight line throughout the fight.
That being said, fluke, how do you expect to effect any positive change when you berate anyone who doesn't agree with you by sarcastically calling them Einstein, sheer genius, etc.?
Last edited by fouzman; 07/06/09 06:44 PM.
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: fouzman]
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07/06/09 09:08 PM
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J W AKA Jim Wolfe
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Like mentioned the rules up north are very different, up north they have a complete ban on bass fishing until what...June 1st or something like that? Maybe we should just adopt the rules they have in place up north, since Texas is so much like Canada...
Why we would want to model our rules after a country so different from our own is not clear to me at all.
If you feel the need then get on it, get them barbs mashed down!
From what I can see it is not broke, so you do not need to fix it for us, but thanks for the offer.
Plus they are only fish for gosh sakes! Do not give them more credit than they are worth or you are playing right into PETA's hands...and then we will have to refer to fish as "sea kittens" per PETA's wish.
J W - Formerly know as Jim Wolfe
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: JCBfromTHF]
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07/06/09 09:47 PM
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bassdreamer
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A: where do you find barbless hooks? I don't mind the idea of protecting our resource. I'm not sure how wanting to do THAT is somehow socialist. I wish BASS worked as hard at promoting the preservation of our sport's resources as Ducks Unlimited does in promoting wetlands. But that's another discussion altogether.
B: If I find that I am gut hooking fish (say on c-rigs) I do mash the barb down and I have never lost a fish due to that.
Being sporting about our sport is a good thing not a sissy thing IMO>
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: John175☮]
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07/06/09 09:57 PM
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Lou from Fate
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Those who are in favor of barbless hooks please feel free to lead by example. In fact while you're at it feel free not to fish the spawn or water over 80. I appreciate anyone willing to lead by example. I 2nd that!
"Being defeated is often a temporary condition.
Giving up is what makes it permanent."
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: Lou from Fate]
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07/06/09 11:03 PM
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old fat man
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I fish salt and fresh with barbless hooks. More fish than I can eat are still brought in and have to be unhooked. It was simply my choice a few years ago to try it barbless. So far I cannot tell any difference in the number of fish caught. It certainly makes hook removal a lot easier when a hook gets into clothing or other spots. Once a fish is alongside for viewing, giving excessive slack line gets them loose about one third of the time. The rest of the time it requires manual unhooking. This is my experience and my choice, but do not expect others to do the same.
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: old fat man]
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07/07/09 02:45 PM
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COKEMAN
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I mash the barbs down when chasing white bass, mainly so I can get them off quick and cast again. I have caught some huge hybrids and quite often some big largemouths are in the mix. If you keep the line tight, they won't throw the lure.
Note, however, that most of the above is done is fairly open water. I leave the barbs on in tournaments where I fish around cover and the fish may wrap me up or otherwise prevent me from keeping constant pressure on them.
There's no question barbless hooks cause less damage and allow you to get the fish off and back in the water quicker, but there is a trade-off that each angler needs to decide to make.
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: RedRanger]
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07/07/09 03:04 PM
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catslayer
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Idk if sombody already said this, I got bored of ppl bickering, but if you fish in the lake behind the library at Texas A&M they ask you to bend the barbs down.
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: catslayer]
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07/07/09 04:09 PM
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I bend barbs down alot of times fishing ponds. It's much easier to get the hook out. My dad's friend has a pond in Lubbock and he won't let me fish it unless I fish barbless or at the very least smash the barbs down. I noticed I didn't lose anymore fish than I did with barbs. We fish alot of senkos in his pond and you know fish have a tendency to swallow them. Barbless comes right out.
http://www.denalirods.com �Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after.� -Henry David Thoreau
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: RedRanger]
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07/07/09 05:22 PM
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sensei
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should be encouraged but not inforced...my two cents
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Re: wanna take better care of bass? heres what the canucks do
[Re: buda13]
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07/11/09 05:39 AM
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its a fluke
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How will barbless hooks work when a 5 pound plus comes up shaking her head with your rattletrap/crankbait in her face? It will shoot the trap out it's mouth like a bullet leaving a gun About one head shake and that's all she wrote.......... so we are discussing ways to help sustain the species and your main concern is they might shake off of a rattle trap? sheer genius and some long range thinking there. if your worried about one getting away, blow them up with dynamite and they wont escape that way either einstein. Since you are so educated on this and we are all so stupid, mabey you can enlighten us with some facts as to how much trouble the bass species is in? How much have the numbers declined? Whats the mortality rate of a fish caught on a barbed hook VS a non barbed hook? I mean you want to help sustain it, why would a THRIVING species need help being sustained? If you wanna make people feel stupid at least give up some numbers from your research on this topic. not trying to imply everyone is stupid, far from it. i just hink this is a relevant topic and am free to express my opinon about a rattle trap response, jsut like you are free to reply to me. if you are looking for specific mortality rates, im not sure there has been a study yet. but im sure you've caught some fish you had trouble getting treble hooks out of that may have died. thats common sense and you dont need a study to to back that up. we are all getting more proficient at catching big fish, and I am merely putting out there something that seems to work for some other outdoorsmen that may work for us. Dont be lulled into complacentcy that because bash fishing is getting better we dont need to protect them. more and more people are fishing and it was things like slot limits, catch and release, live wells, and managing genetics ..particularly florida strain, that have made it better..... and there were lots of poeple complaining that the fishing was all right when we started those too. sorry if i was condescending, my wife calls me that alot so it must be true
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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