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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: skeet225zx]
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05/26/09 12:39 AM
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SEV
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is it my questionthat you dont understand? "who would give 43,000 for an 07 3 year old boat? There is an a$$ made for every seat In your previos post, you said " if someone needs to worry about a couple thousand dollars, then maybe they should not be buying a new one in the first place" Are you serious???? Are you telling me you would not want to save $2000.00 or more dollars, if two dealers had the same boat on opposite sides of the street, you would not walk across the street to save $2000.00!!! Come On!! WE all want to save money when we can. That 2 grand can be 10 $200 dollar rod & reel combos. You people make me laugh.  You are probably the same guys that used to come in to the showroom floor or boat show, talk to me for two hours about how much you know about boats and then tell me you are going to be buying one next year. Then I see you again next year and the year after that, etc. The one thing that I discovered after my years of selling boats is that 99.9% of the time it is an emotional purchase. It's also a purchase where most people will spend the extra money to purchase from a person and a dealership that they know will take care of them. It's not a matter of buying and Chevy and getting from the cheapest guy out there and then taking to where ever and getting it serviced. Buying a boat is and will always be a more personal experience.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: SEV]
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05/26/09 12:47 AM
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skeet225zx
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well let me introduce myself.
I am the first person that its not all about a personal experience.
I am the person that it is all about saving money!!
I am the person that it takes about 1 month to buy something I am in the market for.
An I am the person that has bought 3 new boats this way, all from different dealers, that saved me money every time.
I am the person that owns a business and competes against competitors everyday on pricing.
Glad to meet you, we have never met.
2009 Skeeter 21 I Class 2009 Yamaha 250 HPDI
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: SEV]
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05/26/09 01:04 AM
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Texas Smoke
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and it's obvious you've never been in business for yourself... ummmm, only since 1994.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: Kay Dyson]
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05/26/09 03:01 AM
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kdr2002
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Good thread. New boat prices are ridiculous. You'd think more dealers/manulfacturers would be needing to move some inventory but I know they've got a lot of overhead to cover. We'll probably start seeing more and more closures.
It would be nice to know the real bottom dollar on boats. There just aren't enough resources out there like when buying a cars. We need a good website like Edmunds for boats.
But, there are deals out there. You just have to keep looking. A month or so ago a dealer advertised a the lowest price I've seen on a new leftover 08 Z series Ranger. It was 43k for a Z520. I think they sold the boats in a month. But, the price was still insane for a boat.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: kdr2002]
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05/26/09 03:13 AM
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Hopedale
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43K ! Unbelievable that anyone would think that is a good price. Folks now is the time to help drive the prices down.
And don't give me that stuff about overhead. I bet the margin is way up there.
Last edited by Hopedale; 05/26/09 03:13 AM.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: Hopedale]
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05/26/09 04:41 AM
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Shayne Ward
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2009 Zx250 Loaded!!! Padded Deck, 3 color graphs including 1197 Side imaging, and a power pole. Very Nice boat with 4 1/2 years of motor warranty remaining!
$40,000 firm Good deal????
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: skeet225zx]
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05/26/09 01:08 PM
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briansgi
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Just remember for everyone who believes these new $57K bass rigs should actually be selling for $25K, guess what your 10 year old bass boat would then be worth!?? It's all relative.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: briansgi]
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05/26/09 01:37 PM
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skeet225zx
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I have not really been complaining to much about the new boat prices for a 2009 model.
I was complaining about a dealer quoting me $43,000 +TTL for a 2007 model ZX225. It has never been titled so there fore according to the dealer it was a new boat, and I agree it is a new boat, but it is almost 3 years old.
MY complaint was that the 2010 models come out in August and if I looked hard enough and took my time, I could find a boat newer than an 07 for less money, and I still think I could, and if I turned around and tried to sell or trade that boat back in, they would give me the trade in price of an 07 boat.
I have already seen on this site a 2008 boat for $38,000and some change, and was even quoted $35,000 by another nice gentleman for a 07 ZX 225.
2009 Skeeter 21 I Class 2009 Yamaha 250 HPDI
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: Jman]
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05/26/09 04:22 PM
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Michial Thompson
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Running a business, brick and mortar, labor, taxes, equipment, insurance, did I mention taxes, advertising, legal fees, fuel - it is VERY expensive to own and operate a business. Every cost that we absorb from pencils to machinery has to be priced into every deal that we do so we can make a profit. There may be room for some margin but I bet it isn't as much as you might think. And no one I know would sell stuff at a lost - you just won't stay around very long. I have a certain price I will work for - every else can have the marginal business. I learned early on it doesn't pay to take deals at all cost.
No doubt they are expensive. What gets me is that they seem to be really expensive in comparison to other items. For example, the price of a new boat in relation to a new truck or even a starter home seems to be out of whack. But like the one poster mentioned earlier, these manufacturers are only producing so many and have to make their profit on lower volume with higher margin.
The good thing is there are plenty of options out there and I'm sure it isn't hard to find a quality boat at a good price. Boats are build from Fiberglass, Fiberglass is a patroleum product, and boats on the showroom floor were built with last summers patroleum products... Remember the $4.00 per gallon gas??? As far as comparing to Trucks, not even close. Trucks are build 100s of thousands at a time, boats are built 10s of thousands at a time. It takes pretty close to the same amount of space to build a boat as a truck, and boats are more labor intensive to build.
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: Kay Dyson]
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05/26/09 04:55 PM
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KingwoodCat
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"I am not" paying 50-60,000.00 dollars for a new boat when I should be able to virtually steal one with boat sales being in the tank as I'm being told. Either someone is LYING, or these dealerships need to wake up and smell the coffee.. Move those boats DUDES.
Sorry for the long post, but we as consumers, must at some point take a stand against the past 10-15 years of abuse by Boat manufactures and finance companies, granted they didn't hold a gun to our heads, but we were left with little choice for a new ride. If the dealers let you "steal" their boats, how long do you figure they will be in business? They are in business to make money, just like every other small business in the country. I do feel your pain however, and decided that since I was not going to pay what they wanted for a new boat, the thing for me to do was buy a used boat. I found a nice one, at the right price, and it has all the bells and whistles on it that I wanted. When you start adding up things like tandem trailers, GPS', depth finders, 80lb thrust TMS, Keel Protectors, etc., it all adds up. Heck the price of the Motor and accessories is half the price of the boat, just like it was back in the 80s.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a look at the American Indian".
Henry Ford
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: Texas Smoke]
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05/26/09 04:56 PM
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SEV
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and it's obvious you've never been in business for yourself... ummmm, only since 1994. So you've obviously made a profit to stay in business that long, right?
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: skeet225zx]
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05/26/09 05:00 PM
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SEV
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well let me introduce myself.
I am the first person that its not all about a personal experience.
I am the person that it is all about saving money!!
I am the person that it takes about 1 month to buy something I am in the market for.
An I am the person that has bought 3 new boats this way, all from different dealers, that saved me money every time.
I am the person that owns a business and competes against competitors everyday on pricing.
Glad to meet you, we have never met. Good to meet you too! I've never understood selling something for the pride of selling it though. I live here  where it's okay for someone to make money off of me. I make money off of other people every day so I really don't have a problem with it as long as you take care of me after the sale. To each their own!
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: SEV]
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05/26/09 05:33 PM
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Rayzor
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From my previous post - Has anyone out there got a 5-year old boat that they can buy TODAY for less?
Be safe, Rayzor ![[Linked Image]](http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp267/JLedbetter/th_Boatpics036.jpg) 2001 Triton Tx-21/225 Mercury EFI
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: K.D.]
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05/26/09 05:42 PM
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SKEETER151
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I sold a Kenner bay boat for a bass boat at the end of last year. I bought a used 2003 Skeeter TZX190- 19 foot-150 VMAX-dual console. I got it for $12,500. I have the original sales ticket and its stated that this boat was $27,000 back in 2003. I had to clean the carbs and add stuff that I wanted, but after sinking $1000 on my own into the boat I love it. Starts up everytime. I love the boat and I am really happy. So, lets just round up to $14,000 cause I had to pay like $800 for taxes!!
The deals are out there. You just have to find the boat thats right for you!
You decide whats the max your going to pay for what YOU want and go get it!!!
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit!! It is when pirates count their booty that they become mere thieves. ARRRRRR....
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Re: New Boat Prices
[Re: SKEETER151]
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05/26/09 05:52 PM
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KingwoodCat
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Skeeter 151 is right about one thing, and that is whatever price you want to pay for a Bass Boat, is what you can pay for one. The last boat I bought new was kept for 17 years, and I got 44%of what I paid for it, when it burned up in a fire. I took that money, and bought a boat that was 5 years newer than my old boat, and kept it 5 years, and got 68% of what I paid for it on a trade in. The boat I bought was 2 years old, and I paid 63% of what a new one would cost me. What the figures tell you is that there are boats out there that hold their value pretty decently, and there are boats out there that can be bought decently. You just have to work at it, just like buying a car, but don't expect to steal one from a dealer. They are in business to make money. If the were gonna lose money, they wouldn't be in business very long.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a look at the American Indian".
Henry Ford
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