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Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles #3500110 05/24/09 08:49 AM
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I have a spot with 16 xmass trees and caught only little LMBout of it. had a bunch of hard strikes but maybe hybrids or something. Ton of bait fish in the area but can't catch anything out of it. they are not all bunched, there are in a row, like a long line about a 30yrd stretch, but some clumped together. do you think maybe it might be a summer spot. they are sitting in anywhere from 8 to 11 ft of deep. I have caught a number of lmb in the area so I know there are bass there. there is no other cover for them to get into. very disappointed. Maybe when it warms up or the water settles down. right now I see a bunch of work and money on concrete wasted and time cleaning my boat from all the pine needles.


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Jigfish] #3500120 05/24/09 09:16 AM
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Most for the time brush needs to be on a transtion near deep water like a Point/ Ridge, Hump, Creek channel, Road bed or Tank Dam. Several smaller bundles can be better than one large pile but spread out in a long line can scatter the fish. Also make the line of brush go out deeper... 8ft might be good at night and early in the AM but the fish may move out to 16-20ft in the day light hours.

You have to be careful adding Brush to spots that are already productive... you could cover up rocks or some other feature that was naturally holding the fish.

You can still reset the brush... make a hook out of 1/2" rebar and tow them to other spots... if they need to be moved to save your investment.

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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Bazztex] #3500126 05/24/09 09:27 AM
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let me know where they are and I will be glad to help you out


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Baylor_Guy�] #3500196 05/24/09 11:56 AM
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the bass might not have moved out deep yet on your lake. be patient. if you really want to know what is down there, try some shiners.


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: StumpJumper1] #3500203 05/24/09 12:03 PM
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I would give it time. It could be very productive later this summer.


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: garymcd] #3500208 05/24/09 12:08 PM
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It's all about where you set them. They need to be on a break, transition or something like that. Just putting brush in the lake won't do any good.

Also X-mas trees are hardly worth the effort. They don't last very long. All the branches get ripped off pretty quickly. Hardwoods are much better.

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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Fishspanker] #3500284 05/24/09 12:57 PM
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Excellent advice fellows. Jigfish it is all trial & error with a whole lot of backwork & cleanup particulary if your dunking xmas trees which are on the bottom of my list. Stay with the cedars also call around to tree trimming companys in your area & be cordial enough to get them to share when they are putting crape myrtles out on the curb or before they put them through their chipper so you can haul off a few. Right now the last thing you want to hear about is more butt busting work but stay the course. Also the transition area as mentioned turned out some of my most productive areas on Lewisville. It only takes 1 or 2 surprise productive areas to get your confidence rolling again & subdue frustrations of lack of productivity. We had a Championship on Lewisville at the end of 2002 season & I knew nothing about the lake. After a pitiful performance I got extremely motivated to do better out there. The next year in an individual BC I took 4th with only 2 fish but my eyes were opening about where the bigger fish related to with hard work establishing areas as your doing the rest is history. On the Creek I have nearly 200 areas for about 7-9 spot on productivity. Those numbers fluctuate depending on the time of the year but never over 7-8 % of total areas established. That sounds real low I realize but I don't count 2 1/2 lbers as productive. Point being is I have alot invested as you will have also so be patient & don't expect every placement to yield superior results. A tip in great areas is to put single placement & very subtle as to be less detectable by other fishermen. Good Luck.


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Robby] #3500381 05/24/09 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Robby
Excellent advice fellows. Jigfish it is all trial & error with a whole lot of backwork & cleanup particulary if your dunking xmas trees which are on the bottom of my list. Stay with the cedars also call around to tree trimming companys in your area & be cordial enough to get them to share when they are putting crape myrtles out on the curb or before they put them through their chipper so you can haul off a few. Right now the last thing you want to hear about is more butt busting work but stay the course. Also the transition area as mentioned turned out some of my most productive areas on Lewisville. It only takes 1 or 2 surprise productive areas to get your confidence rolling again & subdue frustrations of lack of productivity. We had a Championship on Lewisville at the end of 2002 season & I knew nothing about the lake. After a pitiful performance I got extremely motivated to do better out there. The next year in an individual BC I took 4th with only 2 fish but my eyes were opening about where the bigger fish related to with hard work establishing areas as your doing the rest is history. On the Creek I have nearly 200 areas for about 7-9 spot on productivity. Those numbers fluctuate depending on the time of the year but never over 7-8 % of total areas established. That sounds real low I realize but I don't count 2 1/2 lbers as productive. Point being is I have alot invested as you will have also so be patient & don't expect every placement to yield superior results. A tip in great areas is to put single placement & very subtle as to be less detectable by other fishermen. Good Luck.


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Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Casey Allison] #3500448 05/24/09 01:47 PM
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Christmas trees are not the ideal brush for bass. It will attract bait. You need to drop in that same area, some big limbs off of some Hardwood trees. Check Robby Rose's website on building brush piles. http://www.robbyrose.com/robbyrose/

Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Big Red 12] #3500522 05/24/09 02:34 PM
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Robby has great advice and he is the brush pile master. I wish I had the time to invest.
Side imaging is the brush pile sinkers worst nightmare however. Piles are easy to spot and just as easy to waypoint. There is also lots of time invested in idling around looking for them.

Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Tim Cook] #3501081 05/24/09 07:35 PM
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Some brush piles work some won't ever work. No telling why. You just have to keep putting out piles and eventually you will get a few good spots. Some places deep points work best, some spots ditches work best depending on the season's.
It could also be the christmas trees causing the problem. They are not the best, they are too "tight" for the bass. Tree limbs are better. (If available.) Usually 1 out of 5 brush piles will end up being a good spot. Just keep putting them out and try and use larger tree limbs. Willow's tend to attract crappie but small Sweet Gum and small oak trees work the best for bass. Make sure you are not violating your local lake regs. by putting out brush piles too.

Re: Getting Frustrated with my Brush Piles [Re: Bigron119] #3502254 05/25/09 04:39 AM
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With Christmas trees you need to clip some of the limbs at the trunk to make room for bigger fish to get in close to the trunk and under the limbs above it. Probably the reason you're just seeing bait and small fish is that there is no room for anything else. Very few Christmas trees are good for piles just the way you find them when people throw them away. IMO they must be thinned.


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