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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: SoCal Tom]
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05/13/09 01:49 PM
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David Gillham
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As the rules are now I say if a guide wants to fish I would let him. You normally want have that many of them entering unless the payout gets higher. And on Fork the guide's chances of winning are no greater than the other top group of anglers that put a lot of time and effort in. If someone decides not to fish because of a few guides have entered they really should be fishing something else. Because what they dont realize is that they will still be donating to the same group month after month.
If you are wanting to make the playing field a little more equal, make the lake off-limits all week with practice on Friday only or even no practice. And make it a rule that you can receive no private information that helps locate or catch them.
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: David Gillham]
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05/13/09 02:15 PM
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Kay Dyson
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If you are wanting to make the playing field a little more equal, make the lake off-limits all week with practice on Friday only or even no practice. And make it a rule that you can receive no private information that helps locate or catch them.
Good point David I'm good with that, just like Champs. I have to work ALL week and fish on what knowledge I had the week before generally. That would even out the field considerably
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Kay Dyson]
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05/13/09 02:24 PM
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VanWho
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If you are wanting to make the playing field a little more equal, make the lake off-limits all week with practice on Friday only or even no practice. And make it a rule that you can receive no private information that helps locate or catch them.
Good point David I'm good with that, just like Champs. I have to work ALL week and fish on what knowledge I had the week before generally. That would even out the field considerably +1
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Kay Dyson]
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05/13/09 02:27 PM
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JIM SR.
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so can I hire a guide, to take me fishing in a tournament,...with both of us entered,..?
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: JIM SR.]
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05/13/09 09:50 PM
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RANDYSGLIDE
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guides fish all week on a lake for money, I drive a truck all week on the highway for money. Then we both fish the lake on sat for money. lets see who will probley win. I dont mind fishing against those that know the lake and have full time jobs they are just able to fish more than I. That is why I have to hand it to Bill and Kay Dyson, they do not get paid to fish the lake all week, they just know the lake and how to fish it. Those that do not mind a guide fishing will fish it regardless those that prefer not to fish against a guide may not fish at all. Just seems like a better turnout without the guide. just my 2 cents
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: RANDYSGLIDE]
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05/13/09 09:55 PM
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SAM G
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I think its an amateur/professional issue. Guides are professional fisherman and should they really be participating in an amateur event.
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: SAM G]
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05/13/09 10:17 PM
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TheReelB&G
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I would like to throw this out there for everyone. I live on lake fork and own a business. I can walk to the lake everyday and fish. I do not guide but fish as much as a lot of the guides on the lake. What is the difference in fishing against me or a guide? I would fish against a guide any day because they fish for size and numbers to make customers happy. I fish for the type of fish that I would be able to use in a tourney. I know several fisherman that live on the lake and fish everyday that I would rather not fish against before guides. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Tiltman]
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05/13/09 10:38 PM
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wwind3
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I voted "I dont care" but I can see how some would be intimidated. I Fished fork every weekend back in the 90's and back then there were as many guides as regular anglers. In large part even then many of them were no better than I was at the time. Many were just regular guys in love with fishing and full of themselves enough to think they could make it. There were a few though that if I had to fish against them I knew I was fishing for second. In their day the Stevensons, Brian Duplechain, Stan Gerzyny (I know I spelled that wrong), Larry Barnes, Mark Pack and in my opinion the saltiest of them all back then Hollis Joiner were outstanding fishermen. I know a there are a few good ones now but they dont scare me like the above mentioned group. And dont forget Cheryl Davenport
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: wwind3]
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05/13/09 10:40 PM
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Big1Bass
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They have to abide by the same off limits as everybody else.. as far as I see, let them fish... If you can't beat a guide, who can you beat? Still have to catch fish no matter who you are fishing against..
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Big1Bass]
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05/13/09 11:14 PM
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RANDYSGLIDE
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there really is no off limits if paid in advance, so he is out there all week while others are working. It usually boils down to those that can fish alot and are very good fisherman dont mind, those that cant fish alot and want to fish tournys do not care for it. It seems the poll leads to more people fishing without guides than those that would have them/ 100 percent without guide alot less with guide fishing it.
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: RANDYSGLIDE]
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05/13/09 11:54 PM
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Hook'emUTbass
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Guides get paid to know where trophies are at, and to help tournament fishermen target fat 2 lbers.
Don't tell me you haven't seen some of the ads for Sealy's BBS from guides, "we can help you with the small money fish as well as show you some spots for trophies".
Its their jobs to know where, what size, and what the fish are doing every day. You think a guide forgets where he caught some good unders by accident while trying for hawgs for a client?
And as for locals, 5 days offlimits applies to all, so I'm game with that rule in place. The slot is not a factor, it applies to all as well.
First Berkley BBS tournament was held on a Sunday. Guide Ritchie White had 3 checks and was home in time to attend Church that morning.
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Hook'emUTbass]
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05/14/09 12:06 PM
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Kay Dyson
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Guides get paid to know where trophies are at, and to help tournament fishermen target fat 2 lbers.
Don't tell me you haven't seen some of the ads for Sealy's BBS from guides, "we can help you with the small money fish as well as show you some spots for trophies".
Its their jobs to know where, what size, and what the fish are doing every day. You think a guide forgets where he caught some good unders by accident while trying for hawgs for a client?
And as for locals, 5 days offlimits applies to all, so I'm game with that rule in place. The slot is not a factor, it applies to all as well.
First Berkley BBS tournament was held on a Sunday. Guide Ritchie White had 3 checks and was home in time to attend Church that morning. Good example.. Another is the Skeeter owners Tournament, the first 3 I fished were all won by Guides or clients. Back then you could literally hire a guide for the day and fish with him in the tournament. That stacked the odds in one direction fur-sur. Thankfully the Skeeter disallowed Guide participation finally, it was clear to them an unfair edge was available if you had the money. Off limits the week before an event will cure a lot of heartburn for many and effect only a few in a negative way. JM2C's Fair is Fair...
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: Kay Dyson]
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05/14/09 12:47 PM
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aggie96
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I have sent Mark several PM on how I feel about this, and I have said before on a previous post that I am not in favor of this. I fish JC Outdoors and we do OK, but I can tell you if this does happen we will more than likely find a new trail. The only way I would consider fishing the event against guides is if the off limits was set for the week before the event. It is hard to beat time on the water.
Fishing for Carter Mayes 6/15/04 - 12/04/10
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: aggie96]
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05/14/09 01:37 PM
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wwind3
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Not a tournament fisherman any more but it seems like it would be like Tiger Woods being allowed to compete in the US Amateur---yeah---you might beat him on a given day but week in and week out he will kick your amateur butt. Same thing in bass tournaments.
Any of you hot shots want a piece of Kevin van Dam---just jump in and bite off all you want. Oh--btw he doesnt even have to pay his own entry fee or probably a lot of his expenses or buy his own fishin pole and line and baits and reels and.....you get the drift
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Re: Your Opinion Allowing Guides To Compete On Slot Lakes
[Re: John175☮]
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05/14/09 02:54 PM
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I'm with the group that says "It depends on who you want to fish your tournaments." I consider JCOutdoors and MediaBass the next steps for the club angler before hitting BassChamps, BASS opens or FLW. I know if I wanted to make the next step I'd hesitate entering a tournament with lake guides. I myself know a few and don't worry about fishing against them on a neutral lake. As for their home lake...I'd first like to see the guides put up some cash and take me on at my job. Having played a lot of billiards in my days I've seen the The Hustler ply his skills more than a few times.  At some point JCOudoors has to ask itself "Who do we want to attract to our tournaments?" Weekend angler? Guide level angler? I consider myself a guide level angler so it's a coin toss for me. Like I said earlier, I don't worry about fishing against them on a neutral lake. On their home lake I'd be a fool not to be concerned. How do you think the Flw pros feel fishing aginst Steve clapper or joe blalog on Eire. I fish the stren series and I fish against locals and guides in every tournament, if someone is wanting to step up to the opens and strens, u need to get used to it. Granted Flw changed the rule to if they want to fish one t then they must pay for em all. That is a good option in my opinion, grantedmh opinion on what mark dose is not valid bc I guide when um not traveling fishing larger events.
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