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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: deckhand*] #3269957 03/25/09 04:05 AM
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This is what i usually say.........

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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: JCoastie] #3273186 03/25/09 10:29 PM
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Thanks for all the good comments! Yeah if I would have not lost the anchor and caught a boat load of fish it may have been different. Both people that went asked to go. I rarely invite people because there are plenty of askers. I guess I am not so generous as other. I guess the best boat is a friends boats plays true. Learning lessons for sure. The good news is that the anchor cost less than expected. Bought a cheap one so when I lose it again it doesn't ruin the day smile Actually bought two!!!! Thanks all for letting me vent and setting me straight.

Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: JCoastie] #3273405 03/25/09 11:34 PM
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I experience the same ting with my fishing buddies.

The ones that own boats are always forthcoming with cash to help out. The ones who don't, usually aren't so hip on the costs. So, I usually go on more expensive trips with my buddies who own boats. And take those who don't own boats on short trips to local lakes. Seems to work out better that way.

I broke a throttle cable a few weeks back, and then ran up on a stump and broke my hydrofoil in half while idling in. About $100 worth of repair. The non-owner with me offered to pay some money for the damaged parts. I turned him down. Simply because the throttle cable would have broken anyway, and I was driving when I ran up on the stump. He shouldn't have had to pay for those things, IMO. But he did catch the fill-up on the way home. He stuck his CC in the pump before I even had the chance to get out of the truck. I think he might get to go more often.


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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: JCoastie] #3273760 03/26/09 01:04 AM
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Brother I have been down that road. I hear your pain a 100%. My wife gets upset when this happens. So those guys that don't help out they don't ever get to go again. They will ask they always do. I just tell them will let you know if we go. I don't care if we catch a mess load of fish or not they don't pitch in they don't go again, "PERIOD". cool

Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: Minedude] #3274298 03/26/09 02:34 AM
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Some folks know the expense of running a boat, even before it hits the water. So while to some folks think it is cheap because we just went a few miles or traveled half the lake, they don't realize that before it even made it there many expenses added up. Storage, boat payment, ins, tow vehicle, gas, bait, tackle, food, etc...

I've made it pretty simple, I have quickly found out how isn't up for helping out and who is. Those who aren't enjoyed their first and last fishing trip on my boat.




Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: cuevl] #3274552 03/26/09 03:39 AM
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The only thing I ever ask a buddy to help out with is gas. The boat payment, the insurance, the storage (i don't have that one), tow vehicle are all things that have to be paid for whether I go fishing or not and it was my choice to buy a boat. If I go fishing and take a buddy am I going to spend anymore money than if i went by myself? Probably not. It's just common courtesy on the buddy's part to help out.


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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: absnick] #3274707 03/26/09 04:46 AM
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No offense intended here jcoastie, but if you want to be a guide then invest in licenses, advertising etc....

I was raised that if you invite someone into your house then you offer then food and drink, and your only expectation is a thank you and for them to be a good guest.

I extend that to my boat too, if I invited them to the boat then it's my responsibility to be a good host, and part of that is to not get online and cry that they didn't offer up money or anything else.

You invited them, be a good host and stop crying about the cost, if you could not afford the trip then maybe you shouldn't have offered. If the anchor is your gripe, then perhaps you should have instructed your passengers on how to propperly assist you.

If your expectation was to get on here and cry and get sympathy from others, then you've accomplished that with the other posters here.

Facts are it's your boat, if you invited them without telling them there was an expectation that they pay then you screwed up, not them.

I usually offer to help with costs for fishing, but will usually turn down a so called friend that tells me he expects me to pay.

Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: Michial Thompson] #3274924 03/26/09 08:25 AM
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Best way to do it is to handle it all up front. Here's how the conversation goes:

" Hey Charlie....I'm thinking about taking the boat down to Lake Charles next weekend for some speck fishing. You want to go and split the expenses with me ?"

Charlie says: " Sure ....what do you think it 'll cost us ?"

Me: "Depends how well we eat and you know me...I'm GOING to eat well....but my guess is about $200-250 each...including hotel, meals, gas and bait."

At that point, Charlie is either in or out.

But if I simply invite him without discussing costs, I dont expect anything. But all of my friends will ante up anyway...without asking.


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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: Michial Thompson] #3276361 03/26/09 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Michial Thompson
No offense intended here jcoastie, but if you want to be a guide then invest in licenses, advertising etc....

I was raised that if you invite someone into your house then you offer then food and drink, and your only expectation is a thank you and for them to be a good guest.

I extend that to my boat too, if I invited them to the boat then it's my responsibility to be a good host, and part of that is to not get online and cry that they didn't offer up money or anything else.

You invited them, be a good host and stop crying about the cost, if you could not afford the trip then maybe you shouldn't have offered. If the anchor is your gripe, then perhaps you should have instructed your passengers on how to propperly assist you.

If your expectation was to get on here and cry and get sympathy from others, then you've accomplished that with the other posters here.

Facts are it's your boat, if you invited them without telling them there was an expectation that they pay then you screwed up, not them.

I usually offer to help with costs for fishing, but will usually turn down a so called friend that tells me he expects me to pay.


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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: JCoastie] #3281288 03/27/09 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: JCoastie
Glad to see most had a good weekend of fishing. This weekend I took two friends to the jetties to finally catch some fish. One friend has very little experience with fishing and operating a boat. The other friend is suppose to be the fishing expert. Within five minutes of arriving at the jetties we managed to get our anchor stuck. I quickly learned that I was on my own this trip. I was unable to get clear directions on where the line was as I manuvered the boat. I made the decision to cut the anchor line to avoid getting it caught in the prop. As you can imagine the rest of the day I spent at the helm attempting to keep the boat off the rocks so my friends could fish. Neither friend managed to real in one fish all day. To top off my experience, I got a couple "thanks mans" for the day out on the water. I don't take friends fishing to make money, just wanted to make that clear. But all that have a boat understand how expensive it is to get out on the water. Simply buying a bag of ice or a bucket of shrimp does not even put a dent in the cost. Its time to start taking people out that offer more than an appetite to fish. Last year I paid $250 for a day of fishing on another persons boat. It that unreasonable? Of course fuel prices were higher, but I feel $100 or $150 is very fair if that is all you have invested. The anchor alone will cost $150 to replace. Just wanted to vent and hear your thoughts. I didn't buy a boat to make friends, I bought it to go fishing!

I feel your pain but I also think you are telling the wrong people. Tell them. If they are your friends, they will get it. Also if you cannot control your boat without having to cut your anchor line, you need more time on the water, not friends with money. If my friends ask "when are we going fishing?" I will almost always offer to set up a date and it's happened where I had to do all the legwork, use my boat, my truck and my gear AND my credit card for hotel and gas and they want a bill at the end of the trip. That's fine, but there have been times when I have asked them to set up the reservations and to pay for gas. If that offends them, they won't go again and if that's the case they didn't belong there in the first place.

Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: JCoastie] #3281346 03/27/09 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: JCoastie
Thanks for all the good comments! Yeah if I would have not lost the anchor and caught a boat load of fish it may have been different. Both people that went asked to go. I rarely invite people because there are plenty of askers. I guess I am not so generous as other. I guess the best boat is a friends boats plays true. Learning lessons for sure. The good news is that the anchor cost less than expected. Bought a cheap one so when I lose it again it doesn't ruin the day smile Actually bought two!!!! Thanks all for letting me vent and setting me straight.

If it's jetty anchoring you do, get yourself a Mighty Mite anchor. You can simply throw her in reverse with the rope tied to a cleat and pull a tine straight and she comes right up. Then you bend the tine back.

I carry two anchors when I am fishing at the coast. I use a Danforth style in sand and the Mighty mite around rock pilings.

I have had to cut an anchor rope or two out at the jetties before when the tide shifted and I could not get my anchor up. Beats getting smashed against the rocks but it still sucks to lose and anchor midway though your fishing trip.

There are plenty of people on this forum and on 2coolfishing that crew up with each other to go on trips. You can get some quick on the water learnings from some of the veterans, some stuff it could take you a lifetime to learn (and a lot of costly mistakes) otherwise.


Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: Creed] #3285848 03/28/09 09:16 PM
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I have learned .. via a sometimes-costly education ... that you have to be up-front about sharing expenses before you go out on the water with other anglers. Likewise, if I am taking someone out in return for a favor or just to provide one, I let that be known, too.
Otherwise, you are at the mercy of the individuals who I have long called "Thankyadudes."
You end up at the ramp, your boat dirty as hell and badly in need of a wash, the gas tank near empty and the tackle coated in salt, and with a simple "Thankya, dude," your companion is checked out and on his way back to the house, shower and sofa while, more wiped out than anyone by virtue of having run the boat all day, you cowboy up and do what it takes to care for your flats rig, gear and accessories.
You don't have to run your boat for it to cost you a lot of money. Insurance, storage rooms, registration, maintenance and the like rack up serious sums over time. We'd like to believe that the folks we take fishing understand it's only reasonable to buy fuel for the person who assumes all of those expenses and provides the ride ... but then again, assuming often means making an A-s-s out of U and Me.
Like Creed says, the people who pitch in tend to get invited ... understandably, the way I see it ... a whole lot more often than those who don't.

Tight lines ...

Boz

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Big-time dittos on the Mighty-Mite anchor. I have used them for years, and to date have lost only one. That one became hopelessly entangled inside the hull of the U.S.S. Selma, sunken near Seawolf Park at Galveston Island. Nothing shy of a miracle would have gotten than anchor out of there. As for the jetty rocks, I've yet to lose one yet.

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Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: Larry Bozka] #3286360 03/29/09 12:45 AM
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I think if you play, you pay. Money dosen't grow on trees and with my friends, they understand that I took the responsibility to make the boat payments, insurance, maintenance, etc. They have no problems paying for the gas, etc. when we go. I have been going with others for many years and have always paid, or at least offered to pay for gas. It is a sign that you appreciate the opportunity to go.

Re: Boats don't run on "Thanks man", they run on money!!! [Re: OldFrog] #3296665 03/31/09 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Oldfrog
Best way to do it is to handle it all up front. Here's how the conversation goes:

" Hey Charlie....I'm thinking about taking the boat down to Lake Charles next weekend for some speck fishing. You want to go and split the expenses with me ?"

Charlie says: " Sure ....what do you think it 'll cost us ?"

Me: "Depends how well we eat and you know me...I'm GOING to eat well....but my guess is about $200-250 each...including hotel, meals, gas and bait."

At that point, Charlie is either in or out.

But if I simply invite him without discussing costs, I dont expect anything. But all of my friends will ante up anyway...without asking.



+1...real simple, easy to understand, doesn't hurt anyone's feelings.


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