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how we get set up #3018825 01/18/09 12:28 PM
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new headline lake has best clarity in the area..90% carp removed...yada yada.....not to say that issues don't get caused but look close and you can see subterfuge
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Carp roundup is a net gain for Minnesota's lakes


The weather helped scientists, out to rid lakes of the damaging fish, round up 90 percent of the carp in Chanhassen's Lake Susan.

By LAURIE BLAKE, Star Tribune

Talk about a great day of ice fishing.

Capitalizing on a quirk of nature -- carp congregate when it's cold -- University of Minnesota biologists pulled more than 3,000 of the unwelcome bottom feeders, some of them as old as 50 years, out of Chanhassen's Lake Susan on Monday.

Working under steadily pelting snowflakes, six commercial fishermen and 10 researchers located the cache of carp under the frozen surface by tracking radio tags placed on some of the fish during the summer.

A 2,000-foot skein net surrounded the fish under the ice as two tractors pulled the catch toward a 15-foot hole where the fish were scooped out onto a conveyer belt to be weighed, measured and counted.

"We probably caught 90 percent of the fish in that lake,'' said biologist Peter Sorensen of the university's Department of Fisheries, Wildlife and Conservation Biology. "This is an effort to remove the vast majority of the carp to see if we can improve the water quality of the lake."

And, he added, "A lot of these females being removed are just fat with eggs.''

The netting marked a milestone in an ongoing U study searching for ways to eliminate destructive carp populations, which dirty up the waters where they are found around Minnesota. The study has focused on three west-suburban lakes: Lake Susan in Chanhassen and Lake Riley and Rice Marsh Lake, both of which straddle the Eden Prairie-Chanhassen city line.

"We have been studying the carp in Lake Susan now for about three years,'' Sorensen said. "We know how many there are and have an idea about where they are coming from.''

The striking thing about Monday's catch, said Sorensen, was that "in that net there was almost nothing but carp -- 95 percent of the fish were carp. They were all large fish."

Game fish were thrown back, but the carp will be sold for food or used as compost at the university's Minnesota Landscape Arboretum.


[url="http://www.ci.chanhassen.mn.us/parks/compark/lakesue.html"]map of lake susan park[/url]

[url="http://www.fishingworks.com/lakes/minnesota/carver/shakopee/lake-susan/#fc"]more on the lake[/url]

wth???????? are we being set up here?
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93 acres and 17 feet deep at the most, but the water clarity is a whopping 7.5 feet, which is pretty good for any lake in the greater Minneapolis area.

[url="http://realestatetwincities.net/susan-lake-homes-in-chanhassen-minnesota/"]more info[/url]


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There is significant submergent vegetation and some gamefish to be found here. The presence of Eurasian Watermilfoil has been confirmed in Lake Susan. The lake gets stocked with walleye fry once a year, but no doubt many of those get eaten by the numerous northern pike that abound in all sizes in the lake. There are also plenty of small sunnies and perch for foraging predator fish. Largemouth bass and black crappie are here in moderate numbers. However, black and yellow bullheads are the predominant species here. Common carp and white sucker have been also reported here.


can some one in MN and get the data on how many carp where taken and the sizes? is any other things being done to " enhance water quality?

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no officer sir..... carp do not get "high" on hemp seed
Re: how we get set up [Re: MoCarp] #3019136 01/18/09 02:14 PM
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I read the reference to this article on the CAG forum (Carp Anglers Group). The false science is glaring. It use to be the law in our state that if you catch a carp it had to be destroyed. Some still think that. Truth is that if I killed ever single carp that I caught on a fly rod last year, over 100 are in the log, I would not have made a dent on the population. They give me a good fight, I release them again into the water. Carp are here to stay. People don't like them the same as they don't like yotes (coyotes). You can poison them, shoot them, trap them and they still survive. Carp are survivors. I don't have anything against people taking some out of the water for a food source - that just good conservation, but to expect their extinction is not realistic. I think that they can be great recreation and a source of tourism dollars once people actually catch them on rod and reel.

Frustrating article indeed.


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Re: how we get set up [Re: MoCarp] #3019151 01/18/09 02:21 PM
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If they caught 90% of the fish in that lake and 95% were carp, then there is no doubt a problem. What am I missing?

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Re: how we get set up [Re: DHFisher] #3019384 01/18/09 03:49 PM
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according to other sources the lake has good "traditional" fishing and better than avg water clarity, the biologists said they where going to see "if" they removed the carp... would the quality of water and fishing get better?


no officer sir..... carp do not get "high" on hemp seed
Re: how we get set up [Re: MoCarp] #3019417 01/18/09 04:03 PM
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So why are we being set up? Do carp anglers have anything to do with that lake?



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Re: how we get set up [Re: MoCarp] #3019427 01/18/09 04:07 PM
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I or my family has a lake house in MN the lakes there are really different then the lakes in Texas, they are natural for one thing and some are not much more then shallow duck mashes...

I appreciate you enthusiasm Harry, I think there are times when carp are a scapegoat for things that are most likely man made problems.

But this is the Texas Fishing Forum and I think post that relate to Texas are a better fit here...and in Texas we do not have any lakes that have ever been managed for carp problems...our wild life department here has been very helpful in helping us get carp established as a fishing resource...rather then a problem.so lets focus on Texas and what we can accomplish here.



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