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'04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/09/08 11:51 AM
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Dubdee0311
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about half the time it runs just fine, idles normally and throttles up normally. the other half i have this problem.
it will idle very rough with lower rpms than normal idle. its a bouncing idle, as if it were missing. if i leave it idling and put it back and forth from in gear to neutral two or three times, it will start idling normally again and i can take off. if i give it gas in gear when the rough idle problem is there it only gets up to about 1600 rpms. if i give it gas in neutral while the idling problem is there it will either die or slowly rev up to about 2k rpms and then burst through to 4000-5000 rpms.
the problem is there hot or cold. ive checked the spark plugs, they are clean. i'm running fresh gas.
any suggestions before i take it in to the shop?
Last edited by Blaine0311; 10/09/08 11:53 AM.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/09/08 02:12 PM
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FDR80
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Check your fuel line to see if its kinked or bound up.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/09/08 02:14 PM
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culeoka
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check your sparkplug wires,one of them may be arching. or, at right side of powerhead under shift slid, follow wiring from neutral point [aprox. 6 inches] to wire connector. jiggle the connector while the motor is running to see if it gets better or worse. you might even check the oilpump rod lever [left side of powerhead] to make sure it's not sticking. that last part would be for the RPM spike. i remember a simular issue last summer on a HPDI. it's problem was a arching plug wire. Good Luck
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: culeoka]
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10/09/08 02:50 PM
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i checked the inside of the sparkplug wires, a couple of them look rusted. there was none of that sparkplug wire grease left in them either.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/09/08 03:20 PM
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just got off the phone with yamaha. apparently this engine has had a service bulletin put out on it which calls for the replacement of the oil pump.
ill have to call the dealer now...
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/09/08 03:30 PM
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First off let me say that at idle out of gear it will feel rough as it is only firing on 4 cylinders at idle out of gear,they are designed that way from the factory,if it still idles rough after you put it in gear then you may have a problem
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/12/08 12:11 AM
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more question
im going to take it in and have the oil pump changed and a compression check done. since i bought this boat used from a dealer that got it at a repo auction, i have no information on its service history. i'd like to just get any major maintenance done to it now so that i don't run any risks. i'm planning to get the sparkplugs, sparkplug wires, have a 10 micron fuel filter installed and all fuel filters changed. what else should i have done?
i'd also like to get the impeller in the water pump replaced, but someone told me to just have the entire water pump changed instead of just the impeller. he said it isn't that much more expensive and that its better than just changing the impeller.
also, im having a little trouble with my water pressure gauge. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. next time i take it out im going to check the line for obstructions or kinks. what should the line from the outboard to the back of the gauge have in it? water or air? is there anything else i should look for?
so i guess i could sum it up with three questions.
1 - what maintenance should i have done on a 5 year old hpdi with no history?
2 - go for a new impeller or just replace the entire water pump?
3 - should the water pressure gauges hose have water or air in it?
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/12/08 12:47 PM
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culeoka
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1. have throttle sinc. zeroed out and reset. [5min.job] 2. if old impeller is still in 1 piece, impellor only 3. water, [you mite have a kink or sharp bend in the line]
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: culeoka]
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10/12/08 01:12 PM
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Dubdee0311
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thanks for the help. didnt even think about the idle speed/throttle sync thing. ill be sure and have that done.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/13/08 08:59 AM
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O2 sensor check. Have been hearing that O2 sensor can cause some of the problems your having.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/14/08 12:15 PM
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Stan Browning
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Blaine0311
when you get all the maintenance up to date including having the lower unit oil changed while there doing the water pump,and you get the 10 micron filter installed and all.be sure to run yamalube and also use the ring free product and you should not have any issues with anything else.When they check your motor out have them tell you how many hours are on it also ok.
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/14/08 12:36 PM
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culeoka
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Yes Sir. - good call on the 02 sensor
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: culeoka]
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10/14/08 01:13 PM
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should i put a little bit of seafoam in the fuel too to stabilize it and combat moisture?
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
[Re: Dubdee0311]
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10/14/08 01:52 PM
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Stan Browning
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the ring free is all you should need......
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Re: '04 Yamaha 225 HPDI Problem
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10/14/08 02:44 PM
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ok thanks. what prop with what numbers are you getting?
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