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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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08/13/08 12:20 AM
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shootisttx
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The only guides I have used were on the White River in Arkansas for trout and on Reelfoot Lake in Tennessee for crappie. They were both excellent, working hard to put us on fish and even baiting my dad's hook for him. Both guys were knowledgeable about their quarry, willing to give us instruction on techniques, very positive and encouraging, and had great stories to tell. They were both so hospitable and eager to see us succeed that I tipped them both 20%...they really went out of their way to make our trips really fun and successful.
I agree with Zeek, though...if they had just parked the boat and fished, I wouldn't have been so eager to give them anything extra.
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." - Will Rogers
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Marley's_Fishing_Buddy]
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08/13/08 02:18 PM
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fool4fishing
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I have taken two guided trips to Texoma in the past two years, Paid up front before we left and tipped him well when we got back. It wasn't about catching fish(we can do that anytime here), it was about the fun we had having this guide. Of course we had 3 limits of stripers which I took home and cleaned them myself... LOL
F4F LIFE'S TOO SHORT TO FISH ONLY ON WEEKENDS!
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: fool4fishing]
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08/13/08 05:02 PM
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Pencil pusher
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No, I don't tip guides. They are independent business men (or women) and set their rates. I don't tip the plumber when he fixes my leaky pipe and I don't tip the hvac guy when he repairs my furnace. In my mind its the same thing. If I get good service, then I recommend the guide to others. I don't necessarily have to catch a boat load of fish to feel like I have had good service, just an enjoyable trip.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Pencil pusher]
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08/13/08 07:37 PM
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WalksOnWater
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Hey Pencil,
From your name/handle, I'm going to guess you are an accountant. If I'm wrong, forgive me. Do you get a bonus at the end of the year? Are you guaranteed that bonus or is it discretionary? If you don't get a bonus would you be upset?
I don't think these guides expect a tip. They do it because they love it and its a good way to make an honest living. I think I can speak for everyone who has ever gotten a tip/bonus by saying, even though its not required/expected, it sure is nice when someone recognizes and appreciates the extra effort you give, whether it comes in the form of a "bonus" or whether it is in the form of a tip.
"Fear not for I am with you, be not dismayed for I am your God, I will give you strength." Isah. 41:10
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: WalksOnWater]
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08/14/08 01:48 PM
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WalksOnWater,
Retired accountant. I did receive a bonus during the last few years working for a corporation. However, when I had my own CPA practice, I did not get "tips" for providing the service that my clients hired me to do. I performed the service and billed the clients for that service based on my billing rate. I considered a referral the best "tip" I could receive. In some cases it was the other way around, I discounted my fees for various reasons. I chose my profession and the compensation that came with it. I will add, which I left out of my original post, that when I have gone on party boats in the gulf, I have tipped the helpers, and I have tipped guides when they are employed by resorts or marinas.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Pencil pusher]
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08/15/08 04:05 AM
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Marley's_Fishing_Buddy
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I think you should tip anyone in the service industry who performs their job beyond expectations. The fishing guide, plummer, yard man, delivery guy, waiter, pizza boy, barber, whomever the hell it is that performs their job well. It's because of guys like you that the service industry isn't what it should be, because people don't think they will we rewarded for excellent service so they don't try.
Fat is not a handicap, its your punishment for lack of self control.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Marley's_Fishing_Buddy]
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08/15/08 06:08 AM
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Toad
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What to tip? what to tip? About Ten years ago or more a guide by the name JP took us out. We met him at the Texas fishing show. We did not catch any fish but he busted his a** and showed us his spots and gave us great hints. Last year I went out three times and the first trip ROCKED so we tipped him $100 per person and there were three of us. So we doubled his fee. The second time we went out, we did catch fish but not all that well and he promised a refish. So I tipped him about $100 per person. The free trip we caught good fish and it was not great but our guide really busted his A** so we tipped $50 per person and there was two of us. This year we went out twice. The first guide got $300 as a tip because he worked hard, showed us some of his favorite spots and was just a really nice guy. The last guide we went out with didn�t do such a good job, did not give us any pointers or show us any of his favorite places. So he got NO tip. My biggest thought is that these guys are not getting rich and most of them really work hard for you. So if you get a good guide that knows what he is doing and shows you some of his great spots he likes and just kicks butt, at least pay for his gas and the trip fee. I never pay first because years and years ago, someone took me out on Grapevine and did nothing. We went out and just sat. I guess he felt like he got paid so the fishing trip was over.
Basically, if you get a guide who knows what he is doing and you have fun, show him and give a good tip.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Toad]
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08/15/08 11:26 AM
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Fish AKA Jerry
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Heres a Tip...If you go to Mexico and hire a boat and "guide'saltwater or fresh.......tell himwhat your expectations are in ADVANCE of the outing and tell him what you are going to tip in ADVANCE if your expectations are met. They will know what you want and they will know what they will get if they provide you with it. EXAMPLE...I told our captain in Cabo San Lucas I wanted to have each of my sons catch a marlin that day.I told him if they did his tip was $100...a large one by their standards.He performed his part in record time and we got back in at the regular time of 1 pm. The next day the same offer.this time fishing was tough and we stayed out way past 1. As 3:30 rolled around he was working his butt off still to catch marlin. We finally succeeded!! But we would not have been out long enough to have success if he hadn't known about my expectations or his tip .
Last edited by Wanda; 08/15/08 11:30 AM.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Fish AKA Jerry]
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08/15/08 10:37 PM
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BenS
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I'ved used guides a lot flyfishing the west. Some of my most enjoyable trips have been when few fish were caught, but the guides gave it their all and were enjoyable people and informative people to be around. I tipped them well. On the other hand I went out with a guide in Wyoming where we slayed the fish, but this guy obviously didn't like people or his job. He's still looking for his tip. If a guide is a nice guy and tries to show you a good time, tip him well. It's not just about how many fish you catch.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: BenS]
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08/15/08 11:42 PM
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A Greer
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If their friendly,informative,and work hard to put me on fish, I always tip. I know there are days when the fish just don't bite whether your with a guide or not.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: A Greer]
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08/17/08 02:14 AM
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lllmag
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I guess I've always been lucky with guides. Regardless of whether we caught a lot of fish, they've always really hustled and tried multiple locations, approaches to finding fish. I've never been short-changed on time on the water. In fact, on the tough days, I've found guys will usually stay past closing time trying to find that last bite. Every guide is different, but I've always been able to learn and pick up tips and pointers. I usually tip $20-$50, which isn't over the top and certainly isn't extravagant.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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08/17/08 03:01 AM
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921ELITE Cranker
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I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day ! Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: 921ELITE Cranker]
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08/17/08 08:50 AM
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Fishspanker
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I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day ! Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability. I used to fish with a guide out of Mustang Resort, Larry Large, who was very good. One day while fishing the lake we saw him at lunch. He had his two clients with him. By lunch they had 20 or so fish with several in the 6 to 8 pound class. They asked him, "do you think we are going to get in them after lunch" He replied, "Boy's I don't know what you expect but we are are in them." They thought everyone that came to Fork caught several 10# fish and most would catch their personal best. As he left he told me, "It's going to be a long day." He also had several stories of times when neither him or the client were having a good time cause the client had such a miserable attitude. On these very few days he just took the client back to the ramp gave him his money back and told him he does this to make a living but mostly because he enjoys it. He definitely isn't getting rich at it.
The Sheep who only fears the Wolf is eaten by the Shepherd.
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Marley's_Fishing_Buddy]
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08/17/08 11:20 AM
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Thespis
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I think you should tip anyone in the service industry who performs their job beyond expectations. The fishing guide, plummer, yard man, delivery guy, waiter, pizza boy, barber, whomever the hell it is that performs their job well. It's because of guys like you that the service industry isn't what it should be, because people don't think they will we rewarded for excellent service so they don't try. Who defines what the "service industry" is? The only guidelines are from the IRS which define a tipped employee. That's anyone paid less than minimum wage and who is taxed a percentage of their sales to cover tips. If you want to tip everyone who gives you good service, great, but please don't equate the downfall of service in this country to the lack of tips. IMO, people who provide good service do so because they care, not because they're going to get a tip. If someone (who is not an IRS tipped employee) actually cares about what they are doing enough to provide excellent service ABOVE AND BEYOND what they're paid to do, I have no problem giving them a tip but I don't feel obligated. I ALWAYS tip an IRS tipped employee because they get taxed on it whether I tip or not. If those in the "service industry" are making an effort only because they might get a tip, they're probably not going to be very happy in their work. The real reward of any job is the knowledge that one has done his best and provided someone with great service. Work toward that and the tips will follow...
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Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: A Greer]
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08/17/08 05:35 PM
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Mr. Clean
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