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Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: Whack!] #2248891 05/09/08 03:55 AM
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Whack, I suppose you have read some of my thoughts in this thread before. I am becoming very muckh involved in my buddys fish/deer farm and I have worked for one other one in the past. I do know what folks will pay for stock no matter what it is as long as they think it is superior.
In reality those folks paying for those fish/animals make up less than 1/4% of the folks that fish public waters. Those folks don't need to or even want to for that matter. I love big fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't go after and catch them. To each his own. the one thing I have said in the past is that when a fishery is pressured too much and the big fish seem non-existent then those of us that go for them will stop. Its like supply and demand. When the supply goes low then the demand will drop. I for one am not going to burn this 3.60 a gallon fuel to chase bait and burn in the boat if the chances are super slim for a good fish.
When folks back off the fish make a comeback...its like our pathetic federal government.
The part of the Brazos river had very few flatheads 25 years ago (according to all of the old timers I talk to) and now it is full of them. When the numbers slump I will lose interest and stop wasting money chasing them. It's that simple.


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Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: ScooterG] #2248985 05/09/08 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted By: ScooterG
I love big fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't go after and catch them. To each his own.


that speaks volumes & to me is what this whole argument boils down to ... if everybody could just get a hold of that right there


can you imagine a quote like the following in a thread like this from certain folks?

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I love small eater/box fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't release all the fish over 10#. To each his own.

rolfmao


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catfishing is now an industry ... it's best for the industry to eat baby catfish
Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: ScooterG] #2248998 05/09/08 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: ScooterG
Whack, I suppose you have read some of my thoughts in this thread before. I am becoming very muckh involved in my buddys fish/deer farm and I have worked for one other one in the past. I do know what folks will pay for stock no matter what it is as long as they think it is superior.
In reality those folks paying for those fish/animals make up less than 1/4% of the folks that fish public waters. Those folks don't need to or even want to for that matter. I love big fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't go after and catch them. To each his own. the one thing I have said in the past is that when a fishery is pressured too much and the big fish seem non-existent then those of us that go for them will stop. Its like supply and demand. When the supply goes low then the demand will drop. I for one am not going to burn this 3.60 a gallon fuel to chase bait and burn in the boat if the chances are super slim for a good fish.
When folks back off the fish make a comeback...its like our pathetic federal government.
The part of the Brazos river had very few flatheads 25 years ago (according to all of the old timers I talk to) and now it is full of them. When the numbers slump I will lose interest and stop wasting money chasing them. It's that simple.


I go after big cats, thats all I do. I never try to belittle anyone for keeping them even when they catch them off my boat. If it's the biggest fish they have seen and makes them happy then great.
I just want people to be aware that the resource has limits.

Keep in mind that IF a newbie went with you or I, and on his first catfish trip caught 3 over 20lbs, they would automatically think there are tons of big cats in the water.
Now somone who has tried for 5 or 6 years may know thats not true and it boils down to fishing at the right time and place.

I wonder about the supply and demand theory because more and more people are fishing for small cats. I see WAY too many small noodle jugs and the cheap ones bought from the stores. I know that a 25+ lber would take that junk under and get hung up a lot of the time.

So even if big cat fishermen where to stop the 10,000 jug lines would still keep the big cats in check IMO.

But again like you said before, this all also depends on the river/lake as they are all different.

Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: albertking] #2249001 05/09/08 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: albertking
Originally Posted By: ScooterG
I love big fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't go after and catch them. To each his own.


that speaks volumes & to me is what this whole argument boils down to ... if everybody could just get a hold of that right there


can you imagine a quote like the following in a thread like this from certain folks?

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I love small eater/box fish but I don't ever want to tell anyone that they are less of a person if they don't release all the fish over 10#. To each his own.

rolfmao


No one should have to release all fish over 10 lbs.

The question remains, If more BIG fish were left as breeders would that make the catfish in our lakes bigger and stronger and better off?

Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: Whack!] #2249334 05/09/08 11:44 AM
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i dont care what you do in your own boat...but if you are fishing out of my boat and you catch a blue over 10#..its going back in the water unless its going to die anywyas from being gut hooked.

Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: Whack!] #2249983 05/09/08 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Whack!

No one should have to release all fish over 10 lbs.

The question remains, If more BIG fish were left as breeders would that make the catfish in our lakes bigger and stronger and better off?


well i think the one thing leaving more big fish as breeders would do is just that, leave more big fish as breeders ... hit or miss on whether or not it would all around make the catfish in our lakes bigger, better & stronger


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catfishing is now an industry ... it's best for the industry to eat baby catfish
Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: albertking] #2251209 05/10/08 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: albertking

well i think the one thing leaving more big fish as breeders would do is just that, leave more big fish as breeders ... hit or miss on whether or not it would all around make the catfish in our lakes bigger, better & stronger

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your posts & the value you add to these threads under whelm me ... what a huttbed


regards albertking

catfishing is now an industry ... it's best for the industry to eat baby catfish
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Albert,
Your posts are all one sided. We all know "You don't believe the verdict is out on releasing big fish". You are like a broken record , anytime someone talks about releasing big fish.

I hope you are as vocal at the tournament next weekend when you are "person 2 person" with the people you so dearly love to imply are ignorant on here.



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Originally Posted By: albertking
liberalism is a mental disorder


your signature says it all. Explains your thought process.

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Originally Posted By: go_cats_go
Albert,
Your posts are all one sided. We all know "You don't believe the verdict is out on releasing big fish". You are like a broken record , anytime someone talks about releasing big fish.


you are hilarious ... only reason you have a problem with my one sided posts is they are on the other side of your one sided posts ... BTW you really don't know where i stand on this subject & really don't give a rip either ... you just know that i don't agree with you & that's all that matters ... right?

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hope you are as vocal at the tournament next weekend when you are "person 2 person" with the people you so dearly love to imply are ignorant on here.



is that what you really hope for? ... is this tourney next weekend like being on the play ground in third grade to you?

I just stand up for myself when folks like you imply that i'm ignorant & if that makes you feel ignorant it ain't my fault ... i don't know, learn to mind your own business????

i ain't going to tawakoni to try to push anything on anybody but you keep bringing this up ... if you start spoutin' off, i'll stand my ground ... just looking for a nice day of fishing & fellowship, you need to decide that that's the only thing you're there for also


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Re: genetics (break off from the other thread) [Re: McLovin] #2251563 05/10/08 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: McLovin
i dont care what you do in your own boat


thanks ... great reply




coach ahemmmmmm take a lesson here go-kitty-go, oh author of dweebish drivel thumb rolfmao


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catfishing is now an industry ... it's best for the industry to eat baby catfish
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wow 5 pages of @#$%^ talking. i thought i might learn something about the gene pool, but it sounds like a high school locker room to me.

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Originally Posted By: albertking
ok ... let's discuss this


boils down to a buncha propaganda that has been around for so long that most did not witness it from the start so therefore can't seem to get a grasp on what it really is

catfish guides have played a big roll in this creepin' into catfishin' circles ... these guides take out huge numbers of what have been labeled "EATER FISH" ... what is a eater fish? ...



Donald (AlbertKing),
Here is a survey by the Oklahoma Dept of Wildlife.

http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/research/bluecatfishmanagementresearch.pdf

It says and I quote
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The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife
Conservation (ODWC) has been collecting abundance and growth information on blue catfish
populations around the state over the past several years.

Total mortality rates (the percent of the population that dies every year by both natural causes
and angler harvest) generally ranged between 20 and 30%. This is a relatively low rate of
mortality compared to other sport fishes (total mortality rates for largemouth bass are usually
around 50% and crappie mortality rates can be as high as 80%). However, because blue catfish
grow so slowly, very few individuals ever make it to trophy size even with the low mortality
rates........
These large blue catfish are very rare which makes them very valuable. We encourage anglers to eat the 1-5
pound blue catfish and take pictures of the large blues and return them to the lake unharmed.





I am sure that your studies are much more accurate than theirs are. Hell, they should hire you. So here is data that backs up that releasing the larger Blues is great for the fishery if you want to keep Trophy Fish in the fishery. Now show us all your data that backs up what you have been mumbling about keeping the large blues does not hurt the fishery.




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"Quote" Now show us all your data that backs up what you have been mumbling about keeping the large blues does not hurt the fishery.

I dont ever remember seing him say that. Mostly I got the impression he was talking Yellow fish.



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