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 Re: Running rough water
[Re: Nickels]
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03/20/08 05:07 PM
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gclark
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Another thing to remember is those waves look bigger than what they really are when you are sitting right at the water line. The deck of a typical bass boat is only a foot or two from the water surface. When you are seated your line of sight is only a couple feet above the water. A 4 foot wave will look very high in this scenerio.
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: gclark]
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03/21/08 01:49 AM
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BTJ
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I fish Rayburn every year, in March of 06, I encountered 4-5 footers coming back from the Black forest area north west under the 147 bridge to a south bank boat ramp. My boat is an older model Astro which sits very low in the water. I had a memorable experience. I am use to fighting through the "rollers" in Erie & St. Clair. Rayburn's "Choppers" gave me an incredible fight. Zig Zagging is in my opinion the best way to get through, although it can beat you up. The example on Rayburn, I was encountering choppers in sets of 2, every few minutes a set of 3 would come along that I was not ready for & nearly sink the boat.
Praise to the locals:: When we finally made it to the ramp, there were ~ 4 guys helping everyone get their boats on trailer. One fella told me it was the worst he had seen since a huricane settled in on top of Big Sam years before.
Back to the origional question. Rollers vs. Choppers in my opinion there's a huge difference. I can fish in 5 ft rollers, I can barely stay afloat in 5 ft choppers.
I'll be making the 20 hr drive to fish there soon. wish me luck.
BTJ
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: BTJ]
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03/21/08 03:20 AM
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Uncle Zeek
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Ok, perspective here ... I count a wave from trough to crest. Here's a pic from a bumpy day - note the angle of the horizon (camera was resting on the console - timer pics). This was 30-35+ mph winds, and the waves were only about 1-1/2' to 2', BUT they were spaced very close together & lots of whitecaps.  The biggest (wind) waves that I've ever seen on Lewisville were 3-1/2 to 4 feet and those were still unusual - most were approx 2'-3' in that storm (that I was watching anyways). The only place I can think of that they might get taller is as they approach the old lake dallas dam spillway; I've seen the waves splashing over the top from the sheltered side. However, those waves wouldn't be at the extreme height for more than a distance of, oh, maybe 25 yards. As for boat handling, I can't see how a bass boat would 'skip' along big waves at 45mph. I have a deep-vee center console, which does very well in waves & rough water, and I can't run more than about 30mph in bigger waves. Don't have any practical handling suggestions, as all the good ones seem to have been mentioned already. I'm just having real difficulty visualizing 6' to 8' waves on Lewisville.
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: TIM CLINE]
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03/21/08 08:10 PM
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Michial Thompson
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Now on to the wave issue of height of waves. Most of the info you will find is studies based on seas or oceans were the water is typically cooler and much more dense being it is salt water and therefore requires more energy to generate wave height. I have checked with several professor and there is no standardized wave height formula. The info you will find is from actual studies. The other issue about wave weight is oceans waves are mearsued from the water level or middle of the wave to the peak of the wave the trough depth is not included so an 8' wave in the ocean is really on average abut 16' from bottom of the trough to the peak of the wave with the occasoinal rouge wave that will peak about 1/3 higher than any othe wave. It depends on how one might measure the wave height as to what height of wave they are refering to. Most people around here are looking at the wave from the peak to the bottom of the trough to determine height. So it possible that someone calling waves 6 ft are really only running in 3ft waves to another person. Fresh water can reach higher waves heights more easily than salt water because it is less dense. I would love to find a study done on wave height that was done in fresh water but I have yet to find it.
So if I can cut all these numbers people are talking about in half they do become feasable. I've seen 1-2 foot waves on Lewisville on a windy day, so if I double that to meet these other numbers I am looking at 2-4 foot.... So an 8 footer is really 4 foot, more believable at least.
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: texasbass1]
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03/24/08 03:25 PM
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Stump jumper
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Noone has mentioned Buchanan. It can be very nasty too in a north or south wind. Planty of deep open water. It destroyed my Laser which was not necessarily a bad thing.
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: Stump jumper]
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03/25/08 04:39 AM
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laserbass2100
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What kind of Laser do you have?
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: laserbass2100]
#2106539
03/25/08 09:47 PM
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Big Red 12
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Try to cut the waves at a slight angle. Trim usually about half way to less. Stay on top of the waves, so you don't get swampped
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: Big Red 12]
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03/26/08 04:11 PM
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K.P
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I have heard that the 5th wave will be the largest. If you are on shore and watch the small waves come in, usually the 5th one will wash up on the shore higher. Has anybody else herd this.
a man that fished out of a 12 jon boat told me this and said in the dark you can count the sound of the waves hitting on your bow and the fifth will always be the hardest and highest?
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Re: Running rough water
[Re: K.P]
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03/26/08 05:08 PM
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EarlG
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I live on TB and I am continuously amazed at the water people will run their boats in. Huge waves however you measure them. My theory is that they drive several hours to get here and they are going out no matter what.
I guess they don't sink most of the time.
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