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Re: 2 stroke or 4 stroke [Re: Cast Net] #2028535 03/02/08 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Cast Net
You say Allison builds transoms with structural steel. Is Allison price competitive with boat builders that don't? Probably not.
Yes.

Quality for a manufacturer is different that quality for a customer.

For a manufacturer is is a set of defined measurables that create a consistent product.

For a consumer it is personal experience in usage with a touch of word of mouth. Neither is a measurable from a QA perspective. If QA is now controlled by the bean-counter logic as you espouse...Perhaps this is why we are getting our butts handed to us by imports. Any company who controls quality downward should expire from lack of reputation.


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Re: 2 stroke or 4 stroke [Re: John175☮] #2028727 03/02/08 10:13 PM
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Read again what you first posted. You may not have meant it but your intent from the way I heard it was that a manufacturer only builds as good of a product as he can get by with. If by that you meant that you get what you pay for, thats also not true. (I didn't put those words in your mouth and don't attribute those to you).
There are a number of factors that go into what makes a company or product sell or make a companies products viable. The quality is only one thing. There are better built products that sell for less than lesser products and they survive. Word of mouth and their customer service and their ADVERTISING are all at least as important as the actual product.
I took several bus courses too. The actual quality of the product is one thing. The perceived quality is another.

But I won't argue with what you say. You believe it I guess but I don't.

How about this. Business 101. A business builds a piece of furniture. A chair. They build in an area where cost of living allows them to build a high quality chair cheaper than the competitor. They start selling for the amount that will allow them to survive and prosper. The chair however does not sell. In doing market research they discover the customer sees the price of the chair and perceives it to be cheaply built because of the price. The company increases the price of the chair and it becomes a better seller.

Happens all the time.



Re: 2 stroke or 4 stroke [Re: Allison1] #2035457 03/04/08 04:31 PM
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the four stroke 150 is gonna perform like a two stroke 115 go with the two its a lot less internal parts and the fuel economy is almost as good if you get a efi and it will run as a 150

Re: 2 stroke or 4 stroke [Re: stick steering] #2035579 03/04/08 05:10 PM
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If you're main issues are reliablity and cost like you stated you will most likely go with the Four Stroke. I think convential wisdom typically has the 2 stroke being a little bit faster unlike this, but it is a matter of preference. I would say that you see a lot more two strokes on bassboats with a 150hp and up. This might help you with resale some. I did see a ZX 190 with a 150 two stroke that had a top end of 58.2 mph and getting 5.62 mph versus 55.3 and 6.22 mph with a four stroke. I think it all depends on how much you fish. I have heard some really good things about the midrange power on the 4 strokes. But it really comes down to prop selection and setup. For maintenance 4stroke, performance 2 stroke.

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