LooptyLoop,

sorry to reitirate. I was in the middle of typing my last post when you posted.

I think we can all agree to disagree as I see this is going nowhere, which is obvious by your last post.

You think everyone doesn't get it and I don't think you get it either.

There is a difference between running a bay since you were 2 and never having seen the bay before, which is where a lot of these folks come from.

Hope you have a good weekend and catch a bunch of fish on your own.

I'm headed to the coast this weekend to hammer the Reds with some buddies!

once again another one!! I dont get, yea I guess I dont. Its pretty hard to realize that Im in the minority of people that like to catch there own fish. Once again, I understand that guides are good when going to far off places, or for people that do very little fishing at all and wish to catch a limmit. However, there just not the only option and that is what you dont get. Have you ever changed your own tires or oil before either? Its a little tricky at first but if you follow some simple rules like, "lefty loosey and righty tighty," you will soon get the hang of it. See ya out there, alone!!!!

This whole thing is stupid. Loopty are you sure you are not a licensed guide?

I guess you could say I'm bias....but difference in the amount of fish we bring in compared to those who are unguided is quite ridiculously. That alone proves a guide is necessary.

say hello to josh temple for me...

Yea, Im a guide that says people use guides too much, thats smart!! Geeze, sometimes I wonder why i even try with some of yall. Plus, I garuntee you that I catch just as much, if not more fish than you and any of your guides. Howver, I realize that the average joe, like you, will catch more fish with a Guide. Thats not what the post is about. However, you will not learn how to fish by yourself and will never get the self reliance to acomplish your own fishing feets.

However, you can just take the easy way out and just throw money at a situaion that you know nothing about. Healthy cll!!!

Someone is pretty cocky! Guaranteed eh? Mmmmmk!

First off, that post was aimed at the person talking mess. I would never just start talking smack to anyone that didnt deserve it.

Second, you are a guide, so anything that you have to say on this thread is completely biased.

this thread is worthless

Anything you say on this thread is completely biased also since you have never hired a guide you have no knowledge of what goes on during a guided trip...your just completely biased on the other side.....
you forget that a guide guides for a living and we started guiding for the same reason you choose not to use a guide...because we love it! we Love teaching others how to fish, how to locate them and what to look for...passing on things we had been taught by other fisherman....... sorry but you had to learn from someone...rather a father, friend, book, even if it is a Tv show...you did not invent fishing ...it is a shame that someone that is so good at fishing like you cant teach others to do the same. Instead you choosing to belittle those who want to hire someone for knowledge is pretty low...I am just a part time guide and do it because I love to fish! And people paying for my gas gets me on the water more.... I donated a dozen or more trips last year to people or organization because I want them to learn to fish for themselves and share the fun of fishing....I pull up to fishing spots all the time to find one of my past clients setting there fishing...that does not make me mad it makes me glad.... I told myself I was not going to post because it was not worth it.....but maybe you should look at it from our side before you start ripping someone.....as a A guide and speaking for those that I know we are continully learning and passing on what we learn to each other and to those who fish with us....You seem to feel like you are a self made fisherman that no one ever showed you a thing ......you know thats not true ...you have taken from someone knowledge ... let those who want to do so and those who dont wont...why not join in and share some of the same knowlegde with others instead of causing such a stink...

First off, I never ripped any guide and stated that specifically. I like many guides and have no problem with the profession. My problem is with the emphasis that people around here place on them, like they are the only solution to learning how or catching fish. Is that an untrue statement? For you, a guide, it may be a statement that you dont want people to know, but it is true.

Also, I have not ripped anybody, and I help more people around here than about 3/4 of the people that post. I give up spots all the time and have taken time off to personally help out and go fishing with several newbies on this forum. You do not know me and I dont know were you get off by making personal statements about me. I made personal statements about nobody untill they insisted on makeing them towards me. Like you have.

Once again, for you that cant understand a concept. I have no problem with guides, just the over emphasis on guides that people have around here. When I see someone asking for tips and for some various spots, I would like to see real feedback, not that they should "just hire a guide". It makes me feel like I am the only person around here that cranks up the boat and goes out to hunt fish by my lonesome. It is a good thing and very pleasurable to get that feeling of self reliance. Is this a bad thing? Have I trashed you? No!! So please do not make comments about me because you have no idea who I am and how I treat others. The only thing you know about me is that I do not use guides and think that people should try to catch fish by themselves more often. All I hear is guide this and guide that and I am sick of it. This is my opinion. If you want to state yours than do so but dont call me out and try to embarrasse me because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Also, I said that I learned how to fish by researching and just going out and trying it. I never said that I was just born with the knowledge and that no one showed me how. However, I did not have to pay for it. I believe that many people can have success the same way that I do, and do not need to pay for the right to catch fish every time they want to go.

My whole reason for posting this was to let people know that they have what it takes to catch fish themeselves. You have a problem with this because you want to make money off them. I just hate seeing people think the only way to have a good time and catch fish is by paying for it. You can research, for free or just a couple of bucks,anything that you need to know. Its sad that people just dont want to work at anything anymore, and this is how I feel about it.

There are many times when taking a guide is perfectly necessary or feasable, just not to the extent that people around here feel it necessary. I know that I am in the minority around here, it was obvious before this, but I am not ripping you and the only people that I have ripped started by personally attacking me.

You have to list all the times you help someone for free like you deserve a medal. Like I said, you dont know me or what I do and you have no right lableing me. But since, you made such a deal about it, I take people out every weekend and just got back from the lake with a few people an hour ago.

It ticks me off to hear you say I dont help anybody when I fish like everyday, and everyday post a report on how I caught them, so that people can do the same. However, I have been mostly bassing lately so you just dont see it. But still you talk. READ MY ABOVE TWO POSTS AS WILL. Man, you struck a cord, BTerry!!

[quote=LooptyLoop]See, this is exactly what Im talking about. None of you have ever caught a fish by yourself or ever found your own spots so you dont know how it feels to be self sufficient.


That is where you are wrong. I fished for a living for 13 yrs. Don't pay guides as the norm but would not be against it. To each their own and I understand why you don't wanna pay a guide. I personally would rather find fish myself but I'm not gonna bash on someone that wants to.

LooptyLoop,
Sorry for personally attacking you ..I am sure you are a stand up guy and do alot of good for those you take out fishing....I will not try and defend my actions I responded to your post unfairly not knowing you personally....Sorry once again...