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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15394435 05/07/25 04:24 AM
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Let’s see it if I’m wrong bs


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: sprigsss] #15394436 05/07/25 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sprigsss
Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
Polygraphs are a complete joke and result is 100% dependent on administrator. Absolutely no one can prove otherwise. So instead of having to prove it was incorrect, maybe it’s time to prove they are correct. The no info rule has been broken by everyone at some point or other and it would take a moron to believe otherwise. Bass currently just happens to be overran with morons.


I have yet to hear an angler say a polygraph was incorrect.

What I have heard is anglers simply have a different interpretation of the rule.

Seems like everytime they’ve “had a problem” with a question, there has been a story to go
with it. That tells me even the angler deep down feels like they may have crossed a line and are generating a reaction. If they were 100% certain they were operating within the rules, I don’t think it would show up on the polygraph.

I think people can convince themselves they are right and beat a polygraph, I doubt anyone is going to
be 100% confident and get a false negative. Here is saying he passed the polygraph, meaning there was no deception. Seems the issue isn’t the polygraph results, but a disagreement on what is and isn’t a rule violation.

The way the rules are written it does not say no information what so ever, it says to “intentionally” receive info. Here. Said he was never asked about intent, I do believe that is a problem. He never asked for info, his buddy stated if you caught them on spot A I bet they are on spot B, he had already fished spot B, he didn’t receive any advantage. I think it’s troubling a BASS official wouldn’t sit down with him and the polygrapher to clarify the exact rule that was broken.



The key is an independent polygraph examiner working for whom? See how this works? Even the courts won’t allow polygraph results from so called independent examiners. It is a ridiculous test and one that could go either way whether correct or not. Just get deniro to take their pulse and it would be more accurate.

Keep in mind that they came around when lsd was being used to treat the insane!


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15394494 05/07/25 11:36 AM
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The guy who published the article got fired. bass fired him. Scott did pass a polygraph administered by likely a tenfold more credible examiner than bass is using. Everyone, EVERYONE knows polygraphs are junk science and Matt/Ike points it out. Also point out how if bass wants you gone or a few shower buddies, they can get you gone.


I know someone said they have seen video of Martin breaking no info rules, well, I’m calling them a liar including tampon boy and the midget from Louisiana [/quote]


You're hung up on poly's. You must have forgot your boy Scott ADMITTED to cheating at Okeechobee and "self-reported". He then quit before BASS even polygraphed him the 2nd time around. This has nothing to do with Poly's, it have everything with someone acting like a POS and getting caught.

Regarding Herren & Ike. Ike has to do something to keep himself relevant, cause he's not doing it on the water....I'm not saying he or Matt are lying, just like I'm not saying Hackney, Feider, Swindle, Zona, Robertson, and the rest of the people that have said stuff on pod casts are telling 100% of the truth. But you're taking Ike's podcast interview as scripture, and the other pods where these guys said stuff as garbage. There's probably some truth and some false in all of them. But don't forget. SCOTT ADMITTED TO CHEATING, and then took his ball and went home after the second accusation.

Herren has been doing nothing but complaining about something for about 3 years. He seems like a very straightforward guy, probably a guy most of us would sit down and have a few brews with, but if he's got a legitimate case that he was screwed talking to Ike about it on youtube is hardly the best avenue to take to clear his name. Based on his performance he should shut up and concentrate on fishing. And take BASS to court behind the scenes if he's got a case.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15394607 05/07/25 01:33 PM
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This is all a bunch of hogwash. You don’t get to pick who gives you a polygraph.

Polygraphs are a real weird thing, they’d might as well do like I already mentioned and use a weegie board.

Is it too bad that Scott and Matt moved on, sure. But the whole guard has changed.

With all this drama bass had better do something to satisfy folk otherwise there isn’t going to be much left. It seems to be eroding at a faster than ever pace.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15394769 05/07/25 03:14 PM
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: DanXB-21] #15394782 05/07/25 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DanXB-21
I'm waiting to see the crowd turnout at Fork before I stick a fork in them... Yeah that was intended... Dan

I hope the weather doesn't fork things up. (Intended).

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15395452 05/08/25 04:22 AM
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Bass will be for sale before season ends. Defamation lawsuits are on the way. Trust me, I don’t know Boyd duckett.


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: Mulejockey1] #15395455 05/08/25 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
Bass will be for sale before season ends. Defamation lawsuits are on the way. Trust me, I don’t know Boyd duckett.


Does this mean you’ll take Mercers job?

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: Mulejockey1] #15395569 05/08/25 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
Bass will be for sale before season ends. Defamation lawsuits are on the way. Trust me, I don’t know Boyd duckett.



Yeah, rumors surrounding both leagues (BASS/MLF) being purchased by the same party (sounds like someone is glutton for punishment). Good luck to anglers suing.....if they were truely wronged hopefully it comes out, but they signed contracts so it's gonna be tough prosecution.

Still not sure how any of that has anything to do with the fact that Martin admitted to breaking the rules though.

NPFL licking their chops

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: Mulejockey1] #15395579 05/08/25 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
Bass will be for sale before season ends. Defamation lawsuits are on the way. Trust me, I don’t know Boyd duckett.

Lawsuits incoming…🤣🤣🤣.People sue all the time for a multitude of reasons and most of them are bogus.

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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15395689 05/08/25 02:46 PM
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Ray has been rolling over a lot. Shame on today’s BASS and BASS anglers

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Originally Posted by nfhbass
Ray has been rolling over a lot. Shame on today’s BASS and BASS anglers


Ray Scott had a saying... Whenever he saw a BASS patch he got a lump in his wallet... So I'm pretty sure he'd be fine with the direction of BASS... Heck, he absolutely loved everyone villain Roland Martin... And I'm sure he and Bob Cobb squashed a lot of the shenanigans like mafia mob bosses to keep them from becoming public... It was a lot easier to do that in the early 60's, 70's and into the 80's... Dan


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: DanXB-21] #15396354 05/09/25 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DanXB-21
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Ray has been rolling over a lot. Shame on today’s BASS and BASS anglers


Ray Scott had a saying... Whenever he saw a BASS patch he got a lump in his wallet... So I'm pretty sure he'd be fine with the direction of BASS... Heck, he absolutely loved everyone villain Roland Martin... And I'm sure he and Bob Cobb squashed a lot of the shenanigans like mafia mob bosses to keep them from becoming public... It was a lot easier to do that in the early 60's, 70's and into the 80's... Dan

What shenanigans? How many blind Classics did Roland come in second or third in? Yes, Roland is the King of BASS and will likely remain so as long as some international douchebag with carbide baits doesn’t make them float to surface.

As far as pickle puffer gang? They are barely hanging on and every single poster in this thread knows they cheat. Bass built its nest, time to lay in it.


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Lol, could you specify the members of the pickle puffer gang. I chuckled when I read that.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15396603 05/09/25 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
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What shenanigans? How many blind Classics did Roland come in second or third in? Yes, Roland is the King of BASS and will likely remain so as long as some international douchebag with carbide baits doesn’t make them float to surface.

As far as pickle puffer gang? They are barely hanging on and every single poster in this thread knows they cheat. Bass built its nest, time to lay in it.


No shenanigans???... So you're saying BASS was pure as the wind drive snow until last year???... Heck, Bill Dance was accused of cheating in tournaments... Not sure on how many 2nd or 3rds Roland had but he was 0-25 in Classics... Roland probably hasn't fished "blind" since the second tournament he ever fished and I'm counting even after he retired up until today... roflmao... It was perfectly legal to beg, steal or borrow info from outsiders... Even on tournament day during the time he dominated bass fishing... As the FFS advocates say... He still had to catch them...



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