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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15390072 05/01/25 09:19 PM
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Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: outfishdya] #15390075 05/01/25 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


Or maybe he just didn't pass??? He failed more than once!

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: outfishdya] #15390078 05/01/25 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process

lol why would a casino run off paying customers. Follow the logic… to think BASS rigged these to run off Matt and Scott…

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: HDVS] #15390096 05/01/25 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HDVS
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Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


Or maybe he just didn't pass??? He failed more than once!

Where did you get this information?
He said he passed, BASS did not DQ him for failing it.
Do you have a source?


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: outfishdya] #15390108 05/01/25 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
Originally Posted by HDVS
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Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


Or maybe he just didn't pass??? He failed more than once!

Where did you get this information?
He said he passed, BASS did not DQ him for failing it.
Do you have a source?

He broke the rule- what does any of this matter? He literally admitted he broke the rule….🤷‍♂️

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: outfishdya] #15390145 05/01/25 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process

How is that? Sounds like it worked exactly like it is supposed to. He even admitted it.


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He admitted he failed the question 4 times and then told them about both the conversations he had that were both against the rules. I wish the man no harm and hope he has success with the NPFL. But the BASS bashing will do the most harm to his career.


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15390167 05/02/25 12:35 AM
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Sooner or later the “no information rule” was going to get to the point it’s gotten to.

Fail a polygraph in a tournament and they aren’t going to let you see the results. They don’t have to. You have little or any recourse. There is a reason they aren’t used in court. They can be fairly accurate when done properly in the proper environment.

I knew a guy who could pass any test he was given. He was a habitual liar. I think he probably didn’t have a reaction as it was just normal to him. He was on probation in Montgomery County for alcohol issue. He was not allowed to be in any bar, club, etc. He goes out partying all night. Several guys I knew were with him. Gets called by his probation officer to come in for a poly. Brings home a certification that he passed.


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Originally Posted by beartrap

he took the polygraph after the tournament....
keep in mind that he had done a survey of elite anglers on his own and sent the results to BASS...(I believe the majority wanted to limit the use of FFS)....this infuriated BASS and they called and threatened to ban Matt from future tournaments.....pretty obvious they did not want the fishermen from interfering with their "under the table" deal with Garmin for unlimited use of FFS...
beginning to look like they intended to punish or ban Matt using questionable results from a polygraph....



Since you and Matt are: pals, buddies, besties, thick as thieves, homies, BFF’s, etc…maybe you should ask him if he was in favor of he “NO INFORMATION RULE”. Maybe he did a “survey” with the anglers, to see how many were in favor of it.

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Originally Posted by Fishspanker
Sooner or later the “no information rule” was going to get to the point it’s gotten to.

Fail a polygraph in a tournament and they aren’t going to let you see the results. They don’t have to. You have little or any recourse. There is a reason they aren’t used in court. They can be fairly accurate when done properly in the proper environment.

I knew a guy who could pass any test he was given. He was a habitual liar. I think he probably didn’t have a reaction as it was just normal to him. He was on probation in Montgomery County for alcohol issue. He was not allowed to be in any bar, club, etc. He goes out partying all night. Several guys I knew were with him. Gets called by his probation officer to come in for a poly. Brings home a certification that he passed.


Reasons for Polygraph Test Inaccuracies:

False Positives and Negatives:
The polygraph may incorrectly indicate deception when the examinee is truthful (false positive) or fail to detect deception when the examinee is lying (false negative).

Physiological Factors:
Physical conditions, medications, or even stress can influence physiological responses, potentially leading to inaccurate results. For example, pregnancy, illness, fatigue, or even anxiety can mimic the physiological responses associated with deception.

Examiner Errors:
Inexperienced or poorly trained examiners may make mistakes during the pre-test, misinterpret data on the charts, or fail to adequately prepare the examinee.

Psychological Factors:
Anxiety, fear, or even a lack of remorse for a crime can also affect a person's physiological responses, potentially leading to false positives.

Countermeasures:
Individuals with training or knowledge can use countermeasures to mask their true physiological responses and pass the test, even if they are lying.

Ambiguity of Questions:
In some cases, the questions used in a polygraph test may be ambiguous, leading to misinterpretation by the examinee and potentially affecting their responses.

Procedural Flaws:
Poorly calibrated sensors, inadequate control questions, or improper question phrasing can contribute to inaccurate results.

Bias:
Polygraph tests can be biased against certain groups of people, potentially leading to false positives due to unconscious biases or stereotypes.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: grout-scout] #15390320 05/02/25 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by beartrap

he took the polygraph after the tournament....
keep in mind that he had done a survey of elite anglers on his own and sent the results to BASS...(I believe the majority wanted to limit the use of FFS)....this infuriated BASS and they called and threatened to ban Matt from future tournaments.....pretty obvious they did not want the fishermen from interfering with their "under the table" deal with Garmin for unlimited use of FFS...
beginning to look like they intended to punish or ban Matt using questionable results from a polygraph....



Since you and Matt are: pals, buddies, besties, thick as thieves, homies, BFF’s, etc…maybe you should ask him if he was in favor of he “NO INFORMATION RULE”. Maybe he did a “survey” with the anglers, to see how many were in favor of it.


matt has a facebook page,you need to go there and ask him yourself....am sure he welcomes comments from kids and juveniles...

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Both of those guys are hard to listen to. I like the comment about their shorts Wawi. LOL. If they're gonna do a podcast at least set across from one another so we don't have to look at your tidy whiteys

Mercer is entertaining, like him or not. I do not believe it is his decision to DQ anybody. He is just the mouthpiece for BASS. It would be a tough job trying to keep folks engaged at a weigh-in no matter who you are.



Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15390399 05/02/25 01:04 PM
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How is this still a topic of discussion? Nothing against Herren at all, I don't know him, but I have friends and acquaintances that do and they all say he's a pretty solid guy.

However.
1. He was not DQ'ed for the information discussed with his son. He was DQ'ed for talking specific areas with a local Floridian who he had fished with and has known for a long time, during the official practice. He admitted to this, and hence passed his 5th poly after admitting to it.

2. Martin also admitted to doing this same thing. There is a video out there of his discussion with locals that got him DQ'ed, it's not been made public as I assume it's being held back for litigation purposes. I'm sure if you have a network that includes Elite or BPT guys you can get your hands on it as it's been distributed some in that crowd from the sounds of it.

Hate BASS if you want, and yes I'm sure there are things within the company that aren't great, and broken, and whatever. But I can't see blaming them for these two instances....anglers asked for stricter No Information rules, they got it, so there it is. Clearly some of you have some butt hurt over something the organization did to you who know how long ago.

To suggest BASS is involved in some sort of conspiracy to "get" certain anglers seems like a pretty big stretch. The anglers pay BASS to fish, sign a contract to play by the rules, and there's thousands willing to take their place if they don't. I've not once heard ONE benefit BASS gets from conspiring to get Matt Herren or Scott Martin, or anyone else out of the Elites.

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Originally Posted by outfishdya
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[quote=outfishdya]Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


Or maybe he just didn't pass??? He failed more than once!

Where did you get this information?
He said he passed, BASS did not DQ him for failing it.
Do you have a source?[/q

Can u please explain the difference between failing and not passing????? U lost me there!
If he passed why would he of been DQ'ed? and why would of any of this be an issue?

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Originally Posted by HDVS
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Originally Posted by HDVS
[quote=outfishdya]Where there's smoke there's fire.... BASS has something wrong with their poly process


Or maybe he just didn't pass??? He failed more than once!

Where did you get this information?
He said he passed, BASS did not DQ him for failing it.
Do you have a source?[/q

Can u please explain the difference between failing and not passing????? U lost me there!
If he passed why would he of been DQ'ed? and why would of any of this be an issue?

If you would listen to the slick interview, instead of repeating half truths and rumors, you can hear straight out of Matt's mouth.


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