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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: nfhbass] #15389696 05/01/25 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nfhbass
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If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water?


I was wondering that too. I’m not sure of the timeline. Did he compete, pop the pills and then got to a poly a day or two
Later?


he took the polygraph after the tournament....
keep in mind that he had done a survey of elite anglers on his own and sent the results to BASS...(I believe the majority wanted to limit the use of FFS)....this infuriated BASS and they called and threatened to ban Matt from future tournaments.....pretty obvious they did not want the fishermen from interfering with their "under the table" deal with Garmin for unlimited use of FFS...
beginning to look like they intended to punish or ban Matt using questionable results from a polygraph....

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Originally Posted by beartrap
Originally Posted by nfhbass
Originally Posted by RKT
If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water?


I was wondering that too. I’m not sure of the timeline. Did he compete, pop the pills and then got to a poly a day or two
Later?


he took the polygraph after the tournament....
keep in mind that he had done a survey of elite anglers on his own and sent the results to BASS...(I believe the majority wanted to limit the use of FFS)....this infuriated BASS and they called and threatened to ban Matt from future tournaments.....pretty obvious they did not want the fishermen from interfering with their "under the table" deal with Garmin for unlimited use of FFS...
beginning to look like they intended to punish or ban Matt using questionable results from a polygraph....

Under the table deal? 😆🤦🏼. It’s BASS business how they run it. These goobers aren’t employees- they are customers- no one forces them into what is worse odds than a slot machine to participate in the traveling circus. Bass has to pay bills and a profit- profit is the only reason they do this…

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You can tell who has never signed the front of a check before..

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: RKT] #15389772 05/01/25 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RKT
If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water?

That’s what I was wondering. Probably should have been disqualified for that too.


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If the story about JT Thompkins DQ is accurate, BASS better hope it can not be proven in court.


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: grandbassslayer] #15389865 05/01/25 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by beartrap
Originally Posted by nfhbass
Originally Posted by RKT
If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water?


I was wondering that too. I’m not sure of the timeline. Did he compete, pop the pills and then got to a poly a day or two
Later?


he took the polygraph after the tournament....
keep in mind that he had done a survey of elite anglers on his own and sent the results to BASS...(I believe the majority wanted to limit the use of FFS)....this infuriated BASS and they called and threatened to ban Matt from future tournaments.....pretty obvious they did not want the fishermen from interfering with their "under the table" deal with Garmin for unlimited use of FFS...
beginning to look like they intended to punish or ban Matt using questionable results from a polygraph....

Under the table deal? 😆🤦🏼. It’s BASS business how they run it. These goobers aren’t employees- they are customers- no one forces them into what is worse odds than a slot machine to participate in the traveling circus. Bass has to pay bills and a profit- profit is the only reason they do this…


Agreed. When did Herron become the union boss.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: grout-scout] #15389902 05/01/25 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Per Google AI, this is how the new rule is written. It’s NO INFO, period.
He loses the case in court.

And No, I don’t really care because he was basically irrelevant to the fishing world anyway (I feel like 98% of the anglers are); but this is how the rule is written.





I don’t know how to share this info, other than copy & paste. So, if it needs to be deleted due to some kind of copyright law, please delete.


“The Bassmaster Elite Series has a "no-information rule" that restricts anglers from receiving or gathering information about tournament waters during practice and competition periods to level the playing field and prevent anglers from gaining an unfair advantage. This rule is in effect 28 days before the official practice period, during the practice period, and during the competition. Anglers are not allowed to solicit, receive, or gather information about locating or catching fish from anyone other than another competitor in the tournament.”


2025 rule
(ii) Once the Elite Series Schedule is officially announced or a competitor becomes definitively
aware of a tournament location, whichever date is earliest, current or qualified Elite anglers,
regardless of the event date, will fall under restrictions a – j below:
a. Elite anglers cannot gather waypoints or specific fishing locations i.e. creek, river,
area of the lake, etc. from any source that is not publicly available. Anglers may
participate in general discussions with fans and others about fishing, especially
including boat shows, seminars and the like; however, they must not use such
conversations to intentionally gain a competitive edge for fishing a future Elite event.
To be safe in such situations, the angler should discontinue conversations that focus
on specific locations or other information that might result in a competitive
advantage. Elite anglers cannot solicit, gather or intentionally receive any
information to gain a competitive advantage from anyone other than another Elite
series competitor in the tournament. Elite anglers cannot buy or barter, any
information to gain a competitive advantage.


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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: beartrap] #15389918 05/01/25 06:00 PM
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^^^thank you, pretty much the nail in his coffin.

Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson [Re: outfishdya] #15389966 05/01/25 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
If the story about JT Thompkins DQ is accurate, BASS better hope it can not be proven in court.

what is the the story?

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Originally Posted by beartrap
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If the story about JT Thompkins DQ is accurate, BASS better hope it can not be proven in court.

what is the the story?


Story is the un-named angler who was being poly'd right before JT had the senior tournament manager at BASS bust in the door and tell the poly guy "this is not the guy we are after"!

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Just watched the Slick podcasts, two things I'm sure of, there is going to be legal action between BASS and Herren now and BASS is even more of a dumpster fire than I thought it was.



BASS is 1000% a dumpster fire. It is and has been for a long long time. They funny thing is the lower levels like college, high school, and the Bass Nation local and State stuff is worse than the stupidity at the Elite level. It's a poor run organization from top to bottom at every single level. Even the most simple things like paperwork, entry forms, club fees, etc they make insanely difficult. There really is nothing that they do well from an organizational standpoint. From an Elite level standpoint they literally had the pro bass fishing world laid in their lap when MLF was going through some really tough times. Bass's response was to double down on stupid and make the exact same mistakes that MLF made and then add in some new and creative mistakes of their own. I don't feel sorry for any of them, most especially the anglers. They are the ones that lobbied for this current no info rule. All the olds wanted this rule because they were convinced the young guys were beating them because of information. Turns out they were and still are beating them because they are better fishermen and work harder.


The more I hear the guy who is CEO does not need to be CEO and the lady who is TD does not need to be TD. What other high ranking positions within that org are a cluster F?

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Originally Posted by SC-001
Originally Posted by Tx Tree Grower
Originally Posted by SC-001
Just watched the Slick podcasts, two things I'm sure of, there is going to be legal action between BASS and Herren now and BASS is even more of a dumpster fire than I thought it was.



BASS is 1000% a dumpster fire. It is and has been for a long long time. They funny thing is the lower levels like college, high school, and the Bass Nation local and State stuff is worse than the stupidity at the Elite level. It's a poor run organization from top to bottom at every single level. Even the most simple things like paperwork, entry forms, club fees, etc they make insanely difficult. There really is nothing that they do well from an organizational standpoint. From an Elite level standpoint they literally had the pro bass fishing world laid in their lap when MLF was going through some really tough times. Bass's response was to double down on stupid and make the exact same mistakes that MLF made and then add in some new and creative mistakes of their own. I don't feel sorry for any of them, most especially the anglers. They are the ones that lobbied for this current no info rule. All the olds wanted this rule because they were convinced the young guys were beating them because of information. Turns out they were and still are beating them because they are better fishermen and work harder.


The more I hear the guy who is CEO does not need to be CEO and the lady who is TD does not need to be TD. What other high ranking positions within that org are a cluster F?



Matt is not only having to deal with this situation which threatens to ruin his career but his parents are elderly and both are critically ill...

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Originally Posted by SC-001
Originally Posted by Tx Tree Grower
Originally Posted by SC-001
Just watched the Slick podcasts, two things I'm sure of, there is going to be legal action between BASS and Herren now and BASS is even more of a dumpster fire than I thought it was.



BASS is 1000% a dumpster fire. It is and has been for a long long time. They funny thing is the lower levels like college, high school, and the Bass Nation local and State stuff is worse than the stupidity at the Elite level. It's a poor run organization from top to bottom at every single level. Even the most simple things like paperwork, entry forms, club fees, etc they make insanely difficult. There really is nothing that they do well from an organizational standpoint. From an Elite level standpoint they literally had the pro bass fishing world laid in their lap when MLF was going through some really tough times. Bass's response was to double down on stupid and make the exact same mistakes that MLF made and then add in some new and creative mistakes of their own. I don't feel sorry for any of them, most especially the anglers. They are the ones that lobbied for this current no info rule. All the olds wanted this rule because they were convinced the young guys were beating them because of information. Turns out they were and still are beating them because they are better fishermen and work harder.


The more I hear the guy who is CEO does not need to be CEO and the lady who is TD does not need to be TD. What other high ranking positions within that org are a cluster F?

It’s his business, he paid for it- he definitely needs to be whatever he want to be.

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Originally Posted by SC-001
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Originally Posted by outfishdya
If the story about JT Thompkins DQ is accurate, BASS better hope it can not be proven in court.

what is the the story?


Story is the un-named angler who was being poly'd right before JT had the senior tournament manager at BASS bust in the door and tell the poly guy "this is not the guy we are after"!


c’mon…

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I just don't understand how far some of these comments go! Everyone has there own opinion and should but the facts are:
BASS is a business that provides an event and a platform. The only employees they have are staff. They get to set the rules and standards they want.
Angler's are independent contracts. (self-employed) They choose where they decide to work or participate and sign a contract to follow said standards and rules.
Polygraphs have been around forever in competitive fishing at every level. And will continue to be. They are given at every major event. Never have I heard of one being challenged and proven false! EVER!
Where there is smoke there is fire! Matt is a friend of mine but per his interviews he broke the rules! Matt had 2 different conversations and something was said in both that per said rule is against the rules. Same with Martin. He admitted within the first 30 seconds of making a call to ask about nearby water and how it compares to the event waters! Black and white!

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