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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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05/01/25 02:25 AM
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nfhbass
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Ike stating that B.A.S.S. is worse today than his lowest point at mlf is pretty telling. I can’t keep up with the drama- didn’t he leave MLF to come back to BASS? Does he fish the “elites”? Correct. I think he was one of the first bpt defectors but I can’t remember for sure. BASS seems to be giving BPT a run for its money in terms of the big train wreck. Maybe NPFL will dominate.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 03:02 AM
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BASS might be after HIM for legal damages haha

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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 04:31 AM
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nfhbass
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Does Herron actually like anyone? if somebody disqualified you with an inaccurate polygraph test when you did not cheat or break rules,you might be unhappy with the organization that did it..... Yeah ok- cool story but that’s not what happened. Didn’t he say he failed because he was hopped up on pain pills, he kind of lost me through most of the ranting if I’m being honest.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 10:29 AM
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I thought it was said to be a “ZERO information” rule with Scott Martin and that’s why he was being poly’d again. If it’s a zero information, then Herren broke the rule, just like Scott is said to have. If I recall correctly, the old rule was that you could not buy/ barter information and this rule was the new version. Where’s Pchapin when you need them?
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 12:03 PM
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Does Herron actually like anyone? His wife - Candy (great lady) and his business partner son. Seems like he will maintain a friendship with Lowen. Not sure about the rest.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 12:09 PM
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his argument was that he did not solicit information and he did not use the information he received.....and....he told the polygraph operator of his being jacked up on steroids and pain pills (due to his back problems) and polygraph operator assured him there would be no problems then would not allow him to see the results....this is a serious accusation,it likely will severely limit his ability to keep or obtain sponsors and to continue as a professional fisherman....and to add insult to this fiasco,BASS witheld his $5,000. winnings in the tournament and demanded he pay a $2,500. fine.... keep in mind,BASS prior to the tournament threatened to kick him out and ban him from future tournaments because he polled the fishermen to get their recommendations on how to handle the use of FFS....
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 01:03 PM
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rickys
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To me it's real simple...Did he solicit info..Yes or no. Did he use any info given to him in any manner in the tournament...Yes or no. If no on both then I don't see what's the big deal. I'm more like Ike on I don't like anglers working together during tournaments. I think that's not right. I know you can't prevent all those guys from talking because they all room together, but they are doing way more than talking a little fishing.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 01:42 PM
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grout-scout
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Per Google AI, this is how the new rule is written. It’s NO INFO, period. He loses the case in court.
And No, I don’t really care because he was basically irrelevant to the fishing world anyway (I feel like 98% of the anglers are); but this is how the rule is written.
I don’t know how to share this info, other than copy & paste. So, if it needs to be deleted due to some kind of copyright law, please delete.
“The Bassmaster Elite Series has a "no-information rule" that restricts anglers from receiving or gathering information about tournament waters during practice and competition periods to level the playing field and prevent anglers from gaining an unfair advantage. This rule is in effect 28 days before the official practice period, during the practice period, and during the competition. Anglers are not allowed to solicit, receive, or gather information about locating or catching fish from anyone other than another competitor in the tournament.”
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 01:44 PM
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Does Herron actually like anyone? His wife - Candy (great lady) and his business partner son. Seems like he will maintain a friendship with Lowen. Not sure about the rest. He is a grumpy old fart but a good dude, BASS did him wrong
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 01:46 PM
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rickys
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So at the Fork tournament someone should stand on the boat ramp dock and yell at every angler "we are wearing them out scoping on standing timber with minnows, jerk baits, jigs, and swim baits"? That way they all get info and can't do it.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 02:04 PM
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If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water?
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 02:08 PM
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Just watched the Slick podcasts, two things I'm sure of, there is going to be legal action between BASS and Herren now and BASS is even more of a dumpster fire than I thought it was. BASS is 1000% a dumpster fire. It is and has been for a long long time. They funny thing is the lower levels like college, high school, and the Bass Nation local and State stuff is worse than the stupidity at the Elite level. It's a poor run organization from top to bottom at every single level. Even the most simple things like paperwork, entry forms, club fees, etc they make insanely difficult. There really is nothing that they do well from an organizational standpoint. From an Elite level standpoint they literally had the pro bass fishing world laid in their lap when MLF was going through some really tough times. Bass's response was to double down on stupid and make the exact same mistakes that MLF made and then add in some new and creative mistakes of their own. I don't feel sorry for any of them, most especially the anglers. They are the ones that lobbied for this current no info rule. All the olds wanted this rule because they were convinced the young guys were beating them because of information. Turns out they were and still are beating them because they are better fishermen and work harder.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 02:14 PM
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nfhbass
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If he was hopped up on pain killers why was he operating a boat on public water? I was wondering that too. I’m not sure of the timeline. Did he compete, pop the pills and then got to a poly a day or two Later?
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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rickys
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I agree with that... Most jobs will not let you work if you are on any kind of pain meds. Heck, I think they all say don't operate heavy equipment while taking.
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Re: Matt Herren pod cast with Iconelli and slick johnson
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05/01/25 02:33 PM
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I agree with that... Most jobs will not let you work if you are on any kind of pain meds. Heck, I think they all say don't operate heavy equipment while taking. Fishing the Elites is definitely not a job..
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