That Keto bread and yogurt should be safe.

The majority of LEOs carrying openly utilize holsters with level I, II, or III retention. And people still attempt to take officers' weapons. I haven't kept up with the statistics, which were declining when I retired, but quite a few LEOs have been shot with their own weapons.
Although I haven't personally witnessed it, I have heard of it happening. But to be sure, whether it's a common occurrence or not, if it's possible -- and it certainly is -- it should be a tactical consideration.

I would assume the LEO's got attacked during a attempted arrest. The normal joe public isn't trying to arrest someone. The real question is how many LEO's had someone randomly tried and take their weapon this is two different scenarios, if I am reading your post correctly.

I assume by your post you are against open carry then by joe public

He must've thought it was White Boy Day:

The White Settlement church shooting. If I remember correctly, one of the victims was a church member on their informal “security team”. He was open carrying on the front row, and got shot as he drew down on the shooter.

Part of the problem was the guy stood up and turned around to face the shooter head on in the traditional, textbook draw and aim shooter’s position. That was probably why he got targeted more than the open carry, but who knows?

The rule of three covers 95% of all encounters.
I’m sure Jim or others can verify the FBI stats. This has nothing to do with what you want or what you think you can control.

Ferals are predators of opportunity. They pounce when they think they have the advantage. We were taught if the threat is 10 feet away your only purpose is to make sure they don’t make it to five feet.

Handguns are just not that good at stopping that 300 pound meth head who’s stark naked, covered in dog poo and charging you like a rhino. Pretty good chance you can nail him three times with your pop gun and he’s still going to rip your head off.

Open or concealed caliber or capacity.
Choose wisely

And you are wrong on both counts. Numerous officers have had their weapons grabbed during routine, non-custodial functions. And if you will bother to read my previous posts , in this thread and in others, you'll learn that I am not at all opposed to open carry by the general public. I do, however, point out the tactical disadvantages of open carry, in hope that others might learn from the benefit of my experience. The criteria one uses for deciding why to carry, what to carry, where to carry, when to carry, and how to carry should be considered carefully. In addition to being a LE firearms instructor, I was also a CHL / LTC instructor. I ran classes (through the PD on OT) for our residents, businesses, and civilian employees. I got to interact with a whole lot of folks who showed up with some pretty screwy ideas about carrying, and who thought that just having a weapon would make them invincible. I found it alarming that so many people thought that strutting around with a sidearm visible was a reliable crook deterrent.

Thought this was interesting:

Not probably but 100 percent. He could’ve stood up wearing a dress and got shot.. to think the bad guy had the skills to determine targets like that…😆

Situational awareness, open or concealed carry, is what rules the day. Period. Be prepared for the litigation that will follow if you send any rounds downrange. As far as open vs concealed carry, for me, it's always concealed. Open carry is like playing poker with all of your cards face up. By carrying concealed you are viewed by the perp as a harmless sheep and that will allow you the time and opportunity to possibly gain the tactical advantage (space, cover) to bring out the wolf (and your piece of choice) in you. Pick a carrying method (hip, shoulder, bag whatever) and go to a range and put in the reps to make you feel confident you can draw and place your rounds consistently in center mass of the perp. Head shots are a bonus.

And you are wrong on both counts. Numerous officers have had their weapons grabbed during routine, non-custodial functions. And if you will bother to read my previous posts , in this thread and in others, you'll learn that I am not at all opposed to open carry by the general public. I do, however, point out the tactical disadvantages of open carry, in hope that others might learn from the benefit of my experience. The criteria one uses for deciding why to carry, what to carry, where to carry, when to carry, and how to carry should be considered carefully. In addition to being a LE firearms instructor, I was also a CHL / LTC instructor. I ran classes (through the PD on OT) for our residents, businesses, and civilian employees. I got to interact with a whole lot of folks who showed up with some pretty screwy ideas about carrying, and who thought that just having a weapon would make them invincible. I found it alarming that so many people thought that strutting around with a sidearm visible was a reliable crook deterrent. [/quote]


sorry if I offended you.

My comments were taken out of context probably because I didn't explain well.

My comment you are against open carry was your reference you lose tactical advantage so I assumed you don't think it's a good idea.
I was never questioning your expert tease.

I know anything is possible but I have never read a story that officer lost his gun at girl scout camp.

my point was more yes it can and probably has happened but not a big deal over all. I don't think the video of someone stealing someone guns out of their back pocket happens everyday either.

I personally believe you lose the surprise when you open carry. I don't think in this day someone that has evil on their mind is intimidated by you having a gun, if they have one concealed.

It is interesting.
We've all seen the bazillion videos of hostile encounters. Mostly C stores and such. They all happen very fast and very close. Those numbers just validate. You might think you have some magical ability to keep a threat more than ten feet away, but the fact is you can't
Are you prepared?

If you're carrying a weapon...You become the most polite person in the room. You become Grey.

And what makes you think that you're the potential victim?

Nobody ever says the mindset, "If you pull a weapon on me"..." I'm going to take it along with your shirt and shoes".

Your the predator. Not them. Your the one with a check on emotions...not them.

There is no threat within 10 feet. There's a free meal testing the universe.

Schizophrenic John Wick Carl is my new favorite Carl Character.

Can we get a quick shot of the “murse” you all tote around with yourselves with the tourniquets, quick clot, and walkie talkies.

I want to see how this is all arranged, is the pistol in the murse, concealed, or open carry?