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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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04/22/25 01:37 AM
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("Maybe try this button.")
I did. Also the reply button. Neither works. Just open a new blank tab.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: bluesman]
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04/22/25 01:58 AM
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Ignoring combat arms veterans, itโs mind-boggling to me that someone can serve just 2-4 years in the military and walk away with lifetime healthcare coverage. The amount of money to keep that promise is enormous.")
Interesting..... The last time I got shot I was taken to the VA Hospital, since I was a veteran (and had no insurance). I was told that they would only cover service-related injuries.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
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04/22/25 02:16 AM
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medacaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine
medicade, CHIP and medicare have 146M out 330M people in the USA enrolled Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: pchapin]
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04/22/25 02:31 AM
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medacaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine
medicade, CHIP and medicare have 146M out 330M people in the USA enrolled Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare. If you paid what it really cost it would be a lot more- definitely socialized.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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04/22/25 02:53 AM
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Interesting..... The last time I got shot I was taken to the VA Hospital, since I was a veteran (and had no insurance). I was told that they would only cover service-related injuries.
Damn man. How many times you been shot!!
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Re: The reality of universal health care
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04/22/25 03:38 AM
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medacaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine
medicade, CHIP and medicare have 146M out 330M people in the USA enrolled Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare. If you paid what it really cost it would be a lot more- definitely socialized. The Part A 80% may be socialized but I did pay $56,333 in Medicare tax over 55 years. Adjusted for inflation that is $82,730. I guess even if everyone agrees that Medicare is Socialized medicine, we still pay for it. As of 12/31/2024 I have paid a total of $104,128 for five years of coverage. Not so sure I like those numbers.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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04/22/25 04:08 AM
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I figure most everyone knows I have racked up some pretty large medical bills recently-
Ive never lived in another country other than the good โol USA-
I will say have always chosen a career that came with employer provided healthcare - I could have taken a different path but I always felt having insurance was important for myself and my family-
For many years when I was younger I remember making comments about paying for insurance although not needing it- I guess it worked the way it was designed to work because I have certainly got my moneys worth now lol- Overall personally I am lucky I had United Health insurance, and this year I turned 65 so medicare is insuring me now-
What has happed to you does not define who you are-
HOW you react to what happens to you DOES!
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: pchapin]
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04/22/25 04:26 AM
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It's not really. A 40 year old shouldn't be paying $7k per year for a policy that only covers catastrophic items. Maybe if I was 55 or 60...
Been paying for 20 years...never once have I gotten more out of insurance than I paid them in premiums
This was true for me until I turned 62. Last year I paid $4,744 for insurance that paid out $19,183. For sure. Like I said, insurance should go up quite a bit when you start needing it. Young folks don't hardly need insurance and I wish someone had told me when I was 20 that it was a complete waste of money for 2 decades. I already told my daughter and son not to take insurance at age 20 unless things change drastically. Just pay for the $100 urgent care visit when you need it and you'll be $150k ahead by the time you turn 35.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
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04/22/25 04:52 AM
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Stevejam:
Don't know what your situation is with regard to sepsis right now but a brand new class of antibiotics has been discovered that is effective against all drug resistant bacteria. If you still have some lingering sepsis issues I would check into it.
Teams at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada and the University of Illinois, Chicago โ led by researcher Gerry Wright โ collaborated in the discovery of lariocidin, which was found to be effective against drug-resistant bacteria.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: bluesman]
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04/22/25 05:02 AM
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Stevejam:
Don't know what your situation is with regard to sepsis right now but a brand new class of antibiotics has been discovered that is effective against all drug resistant bacteria. If you still have some lingering sepsis issues I would check into it.
Teams at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada and the University of Illinois, Chicago โ led by researcher Gerry Wright โ collaborated in the discovery of lariocidin, which was found to be effective against drug-resistant bacteria. I appreciate the heads up on this, i will check it out- 
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: bluesman]
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04/22/25 01:50 PM
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Stevejam:
Don't know what your situation is with regard to sepsis right now but a brand new class of antibiotics has been discovered that is effective against all drug resistant bacteria. If you still have some lingering sepsis issues I would check into it.
Teams at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada and the University of Illinois, Chicago โ led by researcher Gerry Wright โ collaborated in the discovery of lariocidin, which was found to be effective against drug-resistant bacteria. Just heard about this last week, via a cardiologist buddy of mine. Steve, you need to look into this ASAP...
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: pchapin]
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04/22/25 01:54 PM
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medacaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine
medicade, CHIP and medicare have 146M out 330M people in the USA enrolled Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare. If you paid what it really cost it would be a lot more- definitely socialized. The Part A 80% may be socialized but I did pay $56,333 in Medicare tax over 55 years. Adjusted for inflation that is $82,730. I guess even if everyone agrees that Medicare is Socialized medicine, we still pay for it. As of 12/31/2024 I have paid a total of $104,128 for five years of coverage. Not so sure I like those numbers. So you are seeing how bad socialism sucksโฆ
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: pchapin]
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04/22/25 02:19 PM
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medacaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine
medicade, CHIP and medicare have 146M out 330M people in the USA enrolled Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare. If you paid what it really cost it would be a lot more- definitely socialized. The Part A 80% may be socialized but I did pay $56,333 in Medicare tax over 55 years. Adjusted for inflation that is $82,730. I guess even if everyone agrees that Medicare is Socialized medicine, we still pay for it. As of 12/31/2024 I have paid a total of $104,128 for five years of coverage. Not so sure I like those numbers. You're just 1 heart attack away from making those numbers look more reasonable....lol
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: Ted Dyer]
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04/22/25 02:40 PM
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pchapin
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Medicare insurance cost me $4,743.96 in 2024. Not sure how that is socialized medicine. This does not include the 2.9% of every dollar I earned for 55 years went to pay for Medicare.
If you paid what it really cost it would be a lot more- definitely socialized. The Part A 80% may be socialized but I did pay $56,333 in Medicare tax over 55 years. Adjusted for inflation that is $82,730. I guess even if everyone agrees that Medicare is Socialized medicine, we still pay for it. As of 12/31/2024 I have paid a total of $104,128 for five years of coverage. Not so sure I like those numbers. You're just 1 heart attack away from making those numbers look more reasonable....lol Already there, two heart attacks and thyroid cancer. These were covered by Blue Cross while I was still working. 2009 - 2011 Medicare billed vs Medicare paid 2020 - 03/31/2025 Billed $306,642.77 Paid $73,610.34 This does not include drugs. If I included drug cost, I am probably thousands ahead.
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Re: The reality of universal health care
[Re: patriot07]
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04/22/25 06:20 PM
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It's not really. A 40 year old shouldn't be paying $7k per year for a policy that only covers catastrophic items. Maybe if I was 55 or 60...
Been paying for 20 years...never once have I gotten more out of insurance than I paid them in premiums
This was true for me until I turned 62. Last year I paid $4,744 for insurance that paid out $19,183. For sure. Like I said, insurance should go up quite a bit when you start needing it. Young folks don't hardly need insurance and I wish someone had told me when I was 20 that it was a complete waste of money for 2 decades. I already told my daughter and son not to take insurance at age 20 unless things change drastically. Just pay for the $100 urgent care visit when you need it and you'll be $150k ahead by the time you turn 35.
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