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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/08/25 11:37 PM
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DanXB-21
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... Why would he buy BASS? They need him more than he needs them, he could literally create a better series over night. His amateur million dollar series he ran a few years back, those tournaments were better ran than any elite series event. The same reason guys buy professional sport franchises... There's a certain amount of prestige owning a sports franchise... Why did Michael Jordan get involved in NASCAR???... It's what people with a lot of money do... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: HDVS]
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04/09/25 03:11 AM
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Mulejockey1
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Good fpr him. When the fans of other peol5set out to get you when the rules are vague, get out. Let the organization ingest itself. Hilary needs to follow suite and send a message to her followers. That shot will definitely be felt by BM. But in the end they are trying to be the NFL so they could care less who fishes opens since they are going to eventually make it only college kids that can get into the Elites. Like good democrats. He got caught breaking the rules - twice, in two months. How is this anyone's fault but his? It is his fault and no one else. At this point, it doesn't matter what he did it or did not do. It doesn't matter who he is or what he or his dad did, he was accused, offered BASS a way to keep him through the "independent polygraph", and BASS said no thanks. Game over. Looks like he had no choice but to quit. Like him or not, looks like he is the cause of this and is now living the consequences. Ask yourself this, if this guy showed up at a tourney you were fishing, would you trust him to be honest and fish it fair and square? After this, I am not sure I would. Sure looks like he broke the rules twice in one season. He did have a choice! Take the BASS poly like everyone else does! If he passed he woulda been good. I woulda loved for them to ask about the classic also! lol I got one of the random poly's at the NPFL at Santee. I have no issue whatever taking one anytime! So you know they are complete bs? Got it.
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 03:13 AM
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Mulejockey1
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... So you're saying Johnny Morris is upset because Scott Martin cheated? ... Why would Johnny Morris be upset???... As far as I can tell he doesn't sponsor Scott Martin... No BPS logos on truck, boat or tournament shirt... Now him and Roland have deals... Johnny has the financial ability to buy BASS but he's never went all in to buy it the times they've been on the market... Johnny knows business... And he probably realizes this was a business decision for both parties involved... Dan  Why would he buy BASS? They need him more than he needs them, he could literally create a better series over night. His amateur million dollar series he ran a few years back, those tournaments were better ran than any elite series event. I never said a word about him buying bass. Just the opposite actually.
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
Paine
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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04/09/25 04:19 AM
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wanta10lbbass
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... So you're saying Johnny Morris is upset because Scott Martin cheated? ... Why would Johnny Morris be upset???... As far as I can tell he doesn't sponsor Scott Martin... No BPS logos on truck, boat or tournament shirt... Now him and Roland have deals... Johnny has the financial ability to buy BASS but he's never went all in to buy it the times they've been on the market... Johnny knows business... And he probably realizes this was a business decision for both parties involved... Dan  Why would he buy BASS? They need him more than he needs them, he could literally create a better series over night. His amateur million dollar series he ran a few years back, those tournaments were better ran than any elite series event. I never said a word about him buying bass. Just the opposite actually. Right, You suggested he was unhappy with BASS because BASS held an admitted cheater accountable for cheating. Or is he upset because BASS is using the protest, and investigation process they document, and all the anglers sign off on before the season? Why he'd give a [censored] is beyond me..... What's your argument overall here? That because you don't like BASS, or their protest rules (which again, anglers all sign off on before they fish BASS) that it's ok to cheat?
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/09/25 04:57 AM
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Mulejockey1
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Right, You suggested he was unhappy with BASS because BASS held an admitted cheater accountable for cheating. Or is he upset because BASS is using the protest, and investigation process they document, and all the anglers sign off on before the season? Why he'd give a [censored] is beyond me.....
What's your argument overall here? That because you don't like BASS, or their protest rules (which again, anglers all sign off on before they fish BASS) that it's ok to cheat?
I’m not sure why you would need explanation for one reason. The other one is simply ROI, and he lost a crapload lot more $$ than many have lost in the market. Now, will he wait it out? No one knows but it is becoming clear where the jealousy is coming from. They wear bps patches and stickers on their boat
I prefer peace.But if trouble must come let it come in my time. So that my children may live in peace
Paine
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Mulejockey1]
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04/09/25 12:47 PM
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HDVS
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Herren failed. Turned out he had broken the rule after the fail, (whether u agree or not) Scott won't take one from BASS. So why? Bc he's innocent? LOL! They aren't 100% accurate but what is? Judges and juries aren't either. It's the only preventive available and as far as I know I have never heard of anyone Dq'd at any level that has fought and won by proving they are innocent! Poly's are to deter people from cheating and what they do find are inaccuracies in peoples stories. That's why every law enforcement dept in the world uses them. Not for court but to find the inaccuracies in the story. The old "smoke and fire" saying and he has had smoke around him for 25 years!
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/09/25 01:28 PM
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Quillback
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You're not required to take a polygraph so that LE can look for "inaccuracies". I can't think of any other sport (if you want to call bass fishing a sport) where the participants are subject to random polygraphs after the event.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Quillback]
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04/09/25 02:23 PM
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DanXB-21
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You're not required to take a polygraph so that LE can look for "inaccuracies". I can't think of any other sport (if you want to call bass fishing a sport) where the participants are subject to random polygraphs after the event. What other sports or activities take part on a "playing field" that's hundreds of thousand of acres???... Our "athletes" take off at 7a and then reappear at 3p, and then we find out who the winner is... I'll agree the poly ain't the end all be all, but what else have we got???... Some sports make you pee in a cup before or after... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Quillback]
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04/09/25 02:25 PM
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HDVS
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You're not required to take a polygraph so that LE can look for "inaccuracies". I can't think of any other sport (if you want to call bass fishing a sport) where the participants are subject to random polygraphs after the event. Not required but u can clear ur name if u r innocent! Simple solution. If people don't like the rules then don't participate!! Small tournaments and large tournaments have given them for years. And btw there is video and text proof of him breaking the rules and he self admitted to breaking the rule in his video "I called a guy to ask about surrounding water and what is similar" It's all about intent and common sense
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Quillback]
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04/09/25 03:38 PM
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grandbassslayer
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You're not required to take a polygraph so that LE can look for "inaccuracies". I can't think of any other sport (if you want to call bass fishing a sport) where the participants are subject to random polygraphs after the event. Zero comparisons here.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/09/25 08:40 PM
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Marion Morrison
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Scott was guilty or at least thought he could be in violation of the rules or he would have taken the BASS polygraph, period. Heck, I would take one for any tournament I have ever fished. This was not one incident but TWO in one season.
It just doesn't add up. "I don't trust BASS polygraphs" is BS and I think everyone can agree with that at least.
If this was a regular tourney and some nobody did that, most would be ready to string the guy up!
Who was the guy who got caught putting weights in fish at Fork? Everyone was pissed at that guy!
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/09/25 09:23 PM
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TxBazzn
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If an Angler has a tournament at Cayuga Lake (NY) and decides to fish Seneca lake during the off periods to acclimate, that angler is not allowed to ask or gain information about Seneca lake? Local bait shop, marina, guy at gas station? Maybe they have a show and want good content and not scouting footage, or maybe they have their wife and looking to crappie fish so they hire a guide. Isn’t all of that information that is helpful to the angler that is not public? Even though it’s on a different fishery?
I bet they do that often and it’s never been considered cheating. I have seen people making assumptions that they were speaking in code. I hate assumptions so I’ll leave that alone. But it’s never been cheating to gain information on lakes that fish similar. This just sounds over the top.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/09/25 09:28 PM
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grout-scout
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How many times can the same comments be made? Apparently, infinitely.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: grout-scout]
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04/09/25 10:07 PM
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BorNella
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How many times can the same comments be made? Apparently, infinitely. Oh my god no kidding. 14 pages...
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/10/25 03:02 AM
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HDVS
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Lack of common sense is the only reason it keeps going! Make any excuse u want for the cheater but INTENT was obvious! And if u can’t see that in his video then there is NO common sense!
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