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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/07/25 01:14 PM
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GMTK
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"I don't trust the BASS polygrapher." Lol. So, take the test. You pass, you're vindicated. You fail, present the results from your own guy and you make BASS look stupid. Either way you win.
But no, he decided to just quit. And I don't buy this was his last year on the Elite's statement. I like Scott, like his content (really like how he shows multiple anglers). And he might not have had a choice to quit, AOY might have done it for him.
2021 - 42 2022 - 38 2023 - 44 2024 - 92 2025 - (deleted from web now, but he had to be near the bottom with a 60th and 103rd)
And I'm in the group that he was getting info for a competitive advantage. Why the heck else call about similar bodies of water in the area??? But I also agree all the pros get info. And you can share with your house-mates, so why not just get a group of 50 guys and rent a hotel together......
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: wanta10lbbass]
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04/07/25 01:15 PM
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outfishdya
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This is not hard. DON'T SOLICIT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON TOURNAMENT DAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE SET!
If you're defending Martin, two very simple questions need to be answered.
1. If he wasn't looking to gain a competitive advantage why would he call a local he admits he didn't know that well?
2. If he's innocent, why not go through BASS' process? You can't just say you don't trust their polygraph, it's given to like 10-15 anglers EVERY tournament, and other than Matt Herren, EVERYONE else has been fine.
It's possible other anglers have it out for him, that's not uncommon when people are known cheaters. After the Astro's garbage can debacle they were targeted by other players as well, people bashed them (no pun intended), I think they led the league in being hit by pitches, boooed everywhere they went, and generally regarded as scum within the game. And they earned that.....no different here.
Here's a novel idea, if you think people are out to get you, don't "bend" the rules or think you're living in the grey area. He's a cheater, period, end of story. This isn't about Seth Feider, Matt Robertson, Gerald Swindle, Greg Hackney, Canadians you may not like, BASS, or anyone else.
It's about Scott Martin getting caught cheating not once, but possibly twice inside of a month. The fact that he quit based on an investigation should tell you all you need to know.
I don't think it is a fact he quit based on an investigation He paid for and provided BASS with a poly from a 3rd party. BASS chose not to accept this. Fact BASS is protecting 2 anglers here, and dragging then name of one of the families that created BASS through the mud. Whatever you think about Martin doesn't really matter. BASS has done this to themselves and there are plenty of BASS apologist in this thread BASS seems to be good at driving there top athletes and names away
Last edited by outfishdya; 04/07/25 01:16 PM.
Sometimes a bitter man trying to be a better man
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: wanta10lbbass]
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04/07/25 01:24 PM
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Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,513
Champion1
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This is not hard. DON'T SOLICIT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON TOURNAMENT DAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE SET!
If you're defending Martin, two very simple questions need to be answered.
1. If he wasn't looking to gain a competitive advantage why would he call a local he admits he didn't know that well?
2. If he's innocent, why not go through BASS' process? You can't just say you don't trust their polygraph, it's given to like 10-15 anglers EVERY tournament, and other than Matt Herren, EVERYONE else has been fine.
It's possible other anglers have it out for him, that's not uncommon when people are known cheaters. After the Astro's garbage can debacle they were targeted by other players as well, people bashed them (no pun intended), I think they led the league in being hit by pitches, boooed everywhere they went, and generally regarded as scum within the game. And they earned that.....no different here.
Here's a novel idea, if you think people are out to get you, don't "bend" the rules or think you're living in the grey area. He's a cheater, period, end of story. This isn't about Seth Feider, Matt Robertson, Gerald Swindle, Greg Hackney, Canadians you may not like, BASS, or anyone else.
It's about Scott Martin getting caught cheating not once, but possibly twice inside of a month. The fact that he quit based on an investigation should tell you all you need to know.
This!^^^
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: outfishdya]
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04/07/25 01:25 PM
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Joined: Nov 2022
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wanta10lbbass
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This is not hard. DON'T SOLICIT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON TOURNAMENT DAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE SET!
If you're defending Martin, two very simple questions need to be answered.
1. If he wasn't looking to gain a competitive advantage why would he call a local he admits he didn't know that well?
2. If he's innocent, why not go through BASS' process? You can't just say you don't trust their polygraph, it's given to like 10-15 anglers EVERY tournament, and other than Matt Herren, EVERYONE else has been fine.
It's possible other anglers have it out for him, that's not uncommon when people are known cheaters. After the Astro's garbage can debacle they were targeted by other players as well, people bashed them (no pun intended), I think they led the league in being hit by pitches, boooed everywhere they went, and generally regarded as scum within the game. And they earned that.....no different here.
Here's a novel idea, if you think people are out to get you, don't "bend" the rules or think you're living in the grey area. He's a cheater, period, end of story. This isn't about Seth Feider, Matt Robertson, Gerald Swindle, Greg Hackney, Canadians you may not like, BASS, or anyone else.
It's about Scott Martin getting caught cheating not once, but possibly twice inside of a month. The fact that he quit based on an investigation should tell you all you need to know.
I don't think it is a fact he quit based on an investigation He paid for and provided BASS with a poly from a 3rd party. BASS chose not to accept this. Fact BASS is protecting 2 anglers here, and dragging then name of one of the families that created BASS through the mud. Whatever you think about Martin doesn't really matter. BASS has done this to themselves and there are plenty of BASS apologist in this thread BASS seems to be good at driving there top athletes and names away You're entitled to your opinion, but you're just wrong here. Fact: - There was a pending investigation, he quit before it was completed. Fact: - When you sign up to fish BASS you sign off on their rules, which includes using their poly, not a 3rd party's Fact: - BASS shouldn't accept it, all anglers need to play by the same rules Fact: - Roland Martin didn't create BASS, and BASS isn't "protecting" two anglers. I personally don't agree with it, but it's their policy to have protestors remain anonymous. Nobody that's filed a protest has ever had their name published by BASS unless admitting to it. - If BASS wanted to drag the Martin family name through the mud, they wouldn't have said he "self-reported" in the first incident. Wrote an article on their website about "Mad respect for Scott Martin" after it happened, and had him on BASS Live a few days after his DQ. Fact: - If by "done this to themselves" you mean holding cheaters accountable for cheating. I'm all for it. If you don't think that's right I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: wanta10lbbass]
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04/07/25 01:31 PM
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outfishdya
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This is not hard. DON'T SOLICIT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON TOURNAMENT DAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE SET!
If you're defending Martin, two very simple questions need to be answered.
1. If he wasn't looking to gain a competitive advantage why would he call a local he admits he didn't know that well?
2. If he's innocent, why not go through BASS' process? You can't just say you don't trust their polygraph, it's given to like 10-15 anglers EVERY tournament, and other than Matt Herren, EVERYONE else has been fine.
It's possible other anglers have it out for him, that's not uncommon when people are known cheaters. After the Astro's garbage can debacle they were targeted by other players as well, people bashed them (no pun intended), I think they led the league in being hit by pitches, boooed everywhere they went, and generally regarded as scum within the game. And they earned that.....no different here.
Here's a novel idea, if you think people are out to get you, don't "bend" the rules or think you're living in the grey area. He's a cheater, period, end of story. This isn't about Seth Feider, Matt Robertson, Gerald Swindle, Greg Hackney, Canadians you may not like, BASS, or anyone else.
It's about Scott Martin getting caught cheating not once, but possibly twice inside of a month. The fact that he quit based on an investigation should tell you all you need to know.
I don't think it is a fact he quit based on an investigation He paid for and provided BASS with a poly from a 3rd party. BASS chose not to accept this. Fact BASS is protecting 2 anglers here, and dragging then name of one of the families that created BASS through the mud. Whatever you think about Martin doesn't really matter. BASS has done this to themselves and there are plenty of BASS apologist in this thread BASS seems to be good at driving there top athletes and names away You're entitled to your opinion, but you're just wrong here. Fact: - There was a pending investigation, he quit before it was completed. Fact: - When you sign up to fish BASS you sign off on their rules, which includes using their poly, not a 3rd party's Fact: - BASS shouldn't accept it, all anglers need to play by the same rules Fact: - Roland Martin didn't create BASS, and BASS isn't "protecting" two anglers. I personally don't agree with it, but it's their policy to have protestors remain anonymous. Nobody that's filed a protest has ever had their name published by BASS unless admitting to it. - If BASS wanted to drag the Martin family name through the mud, they wouldn't have said he "self-reported" in the first incident. Wrote an article on their website about "Mad respect for Scott Martin" after it happened, and had him on BASS Live a few days after his DQ. Fact: - If by "done this to themselves" you mean holding cheaters accountable for cheating. I'm all for it. If you don't think that's right I'm not sure what to tell you. Another BASS nuthugger
Sometimes a bitter man trying to be a better man
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: outfishdya]
#15371563
04/07/25 01:35 PM
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wanta10lbbass
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This is not hard. DON'T SOLICIT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU ON TOURNAMENT DAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE SET!
If you're defending Martin, two very simple questions need to be answered.
1. If he wasn't looking to gain a competitive advantage why would he call a local he admits he didn't know that well?
2. If he's innocent, why not go through BASS' process? You can't just say you don't trust their polygraph, it's given to like 10-15 anglers EVERY tournament, and other than Matt Herren, EVERYONE else has been fine.
It's possible other anglers have it out for him, that's not uncommon when people are known cheaters. After the Astro's garbage can debacle they were targeted by other players as well, people bashed them (no pun intended), I think they led the league in being hit by pitches, boooed everywhere they went, and generally regarded as scum within the game. And they earned that.....no different here.
Here's a novel idea, if you think people are out to get you, don't "bend" the rules or think you're living in the grey area. He's a cheater, period, end of story. This isn't about Seth Feider, Matt Robertson, Gerald Swindle, Greg Hackney, Canadians you may not like, BASS, or anyone else.
It's about Scott Martin getting caught cheating not once, but possibly twice inside of a month. The fact that he quit based on an investigation should tell you all you need to know.
I don't think it is a fact he quit based on an investigation He paid for and provided BASS with a poly from a 3rd party. BASS chose not to accept this. Fact BASS is protecting 2 anglers here, and dragging then name of one of the families that created BASS through the mud. Whatever you think about Martin doesn't really matter. BASS has done this to themselves and there are plenty of BASS apologist in this thread BASS seems to be good at driving there top athletes and names away You're entitled to your opinion, but you're just wrong here. Fact: - There was a pending investigation, he quit before it was completed. Fact: - When you sign up to fish BASS you sign off on their rules, which includes using their poly, not a 3rd party's Fact: - BASS shouldn't accept it, all anglers need to play by the same rules Fact: - Roland Martin didn't create BASS, and BASS isn't "protecting" two anglers. I personally don't agree with it, but it's their policy to have protestors remain anonymous. Nobody that's filed a protest has ever had their name published by BASS unless admitting to it. - If BASS wanted to drag the Martin family name through the mud, they wouldn't have said he "self-reported" in the first incident. Wrote an article on their website about "Mad respect for Scott Martin" after it happened, and had him on BASS Live a few days after his DQ. Fact: - If by "done this to themselves" you mean holding cheaters accountable for cheating. I'm all for it. If you don't think that's right I'm not sure what to tell you. Another BASS nuthugger Yep, that's the response I figured I'd get. When you know you're wrong just turn to insult, super creative. And apparently from a Scott Martin "nuthugger".
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/07/25 01:37 PM
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sprigsss
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I don’t get all the hate for BASS here. They received a protest and investigated.
Had another angler been protested and bass chose Not to investigate, we’d see the same people calling out BASS.
BASS didn’t dq or suspend Martin, Martin CHOSE to walk away.
Sorry but the no info rule is easy to abide by and the ANGLERS want it to be strictly enforced, so doesn’t matter much what we think. It’s only difficult for guys that insist on operating in the grey area. If you are one of The best in the world, just show up and fish.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: sprigsss]
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04/07/25 01:42 PM
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Quillback
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I don’t get all the hate for BASS here. They received a protest and investigated.
Had another angler been protested and bass chose Not to investigate, we’d see the same people calling out BASS.
BASS didn’t dq or suspend Martin, Martin CHOSE to walk away.
Sorry but the no info rule is easy to abide by and the ANGLERS want it to be strictly enforced, so doesn’t matter much what we think. It’s only difficult for guys that insist on operating in the grey area. If you are one of The best in the world, just show up and fish.
Yep. And as I understand it, you can fish the lakes outside the off-limits time all you want. Get your own info, it can be done without calling someone for it.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/07/25 02:33 PM
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TxBazzn
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A whole lot of people on here running with a whole lot of assumptions. To my knowledge BASS hasn't spoken and the only info that has come out has come from Scott himself. All of your posts are based on previous feelings toward Scott or Bass.
On procedure alone: If I was asked to take a poly to prove my innocence simply because someone else made an allegation based on secondhand knowledge, then I would likely refuse myself. Guilty until proven innocent is not something I play with. So far, no one has come forward with any hard evidence that he did anything wrong. In this precedent, one could make allegations randomly against tournament favorites in hopes they fail a poly on something random.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Revoman]
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04/07/25 02:38 PM
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HDVS
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It astonishes me how many people can defend someone who admits (in his video) to breaking the "INFO" rule and then plays the "VICTIM." Trust me I have fished around Scott for years in the FLW days. Been around him on and off the water. Not the guy that u see in his videos! People forget he DID NOT get an invite to the BPT when the split happened bc all those guys know who he is. BASS took him bc they needed names and thought he might stay in line! Well a tiger can't change his stripes and now BASS has to pay for it with how they handled Okeechobee and with Scott being Scott! Video's and text messages and refusal to take a poly? How much proof does it take for some of ya'll to just say "yeap he broke the rules". Karma has been slow to catch with him but it finally has!
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: TxBazzn]
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04/07/25 02:38 PM
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Used2fish
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A whole lot of people on here running with a whole lot of assumptions. To my knowledge BASS hasn't spoken and the only info that has come out has come from Scott himself. All of your posts are based on previous feelings toward Scott or Bass.
On procedure alone: If I was asked to take a poly to prove my innocence simply because someone else made an allegation based on secondhand knowledge, then I would likely refuse myself. Guilty until proven innocent is not something I play with. So far, no one has come forward with any hard evidence that he did anything wrong. In this precedent, one could make allegations randomly against tournament favorites in hopes they fail a poly on something random.
We also have Scott’s statement where he said he reached out to someone to gain a competitive advantage. So there is that.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: Used2fish]
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04/07/25 02:43 PM
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TxBazzn
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A whole lot of people on here running with a whole lot of assumptions. To my knowledge BASS hasn't spoken and the only info that has come out has come from Scott himself. All of your posts are based on previous feelings toward Scott or Bass.
On procedure alone: If I was asked to take a poly to prove my innocence simply because someone else made an allegation based on secondhand knowledge, then I would likely refuse myself. Guilty until proven innocent is not something I play with. So far, no one has come forward with any hard evidence that he did anything wrong. In this precedent, one could make allegations randomly against tournament favorites in hopes they fail a poly on something random.
We also have Scott’s statement where he said he reached out to someone to gain a competitive advantage. So there is that. Haha, thank you for proving the first statement in post true. You only come away with that impression if you already had a bias.
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: outfishdya]
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04/07/25 02:47 PM
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DanXB-21
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... Another BASS nuthugger How is this BASS's fault???... They came up with a "No Info" rules because the guys fishing their tournaments wanted the rule... BASS saw it was almost impossible to enforce so they dropped it... Days later the anglers raised holy heck so they reinstated it... Now they're just enforcing a rule that's on the books... How is it BASS's fault anglers can't or won't follow the rules???... Martin broke the rules once and was Dq'ed, he was accused of breaking it again and before they could finish their investigation and make a ruling he quit... No organization would accept an outside poly test, especially if they don't have a representative there. So as far as BASS is concerned he refused to cooperate with their investigation... Dq... Case closed... Now if Martin suddenly has a change of heart, BASS investigation restarts, he'll have to take the poly administered by BASS's guy and then a decision rendered by BASS... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Scott Martin out
[Re: HDVS]
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04/07/25 03:06 PM
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4Weight
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It astonishes me how many people can defend someone who admits (in his video) to breaking the "INFO" rule and then plays the "VICTIM." Trust me I have fished around Scott for years in the FLW days. Been around him on and off the water. Not the guy that u see in his videos! People forget he DID NOT get an invite to the BPT when the split happened bc all those guys know who he is. BASS took him bc they needed names and thought he might stay in line! Well a tiger can't change his stripes and now BASS has to pay for it with how they handled Okeechobee and with Scott being Scott! Video's and text messages and refusal to take a poly? How much proof does it take for some of ya'll to just say "yeap he broke the rules". Karma has been slow to catch with him but it finally has! 100%. I watched his Facebook post. He admits to calling a guy " he doesn't know" to inquire about the fishery and then plays the victim. He 100% was living on the edge and it came back to burn him and now he's upset. I don't get it.
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