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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: a777pilot]
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03/16/25 02:48 PM
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pacertom
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My $.02.
We use them in our city to catch people with warrants and track down other criminals. Flock works.
Case #1: Elderly residents in my neighborhood were robbed by fake gas company people in broad daylight. A neighbor’s security cam got color and type of vehicle. Flock got the plate. Case #2: I served on a murder trial where a motorcycle gang shot and killed a member of another gang. Flock helped establish the travel patterns/timing connecting murderer to the act and Mande it a no-brainer to put his sorry butt in prison for life.
I couldn’t care less that a camera knows I went to the grocery store. It’s not intrusive. PD doesn’t care either- unless there’s a problem. What if your wife disappeared on her way to the cleaners? You’d be praying for a Flock trail. I shall quote a few....... Quote: Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) OTHER VERSIONS OF THE SAME QUOTE Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. Thomas Jefferson also said: He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them. Thomas Jefferson Unquote. It's silly to use a Thomas Jefferson quote to apply here, a time that didn't even have electricity. While I do agree there are potential dangers of this ability with bad actors but the benefits to society severely outweigh the danger. Especially with the terror threat that has been let into the US over the last few years. And let's face it, its public. Anyone is free to record anything they want, even the Feds. And what freedom is lost with this type of recording, tracking?? All that said, the real danger in this is a single person or authority to use this to their advantage...i.e... the police officer story tracking ex's. Or a (D) using it against an (R) before an election. Heck, I even hate turning on my location on Maps for my wife. If she can see it, so can someone else that has bad intentions. I am a leaning to allowing it as long as there are HARSH penalties for someone using it for their own benefit. Edit to add: Just the Laken Riley example alone should have most people supporting this. Without the video surveillance and cell phone tracking, Jose Ibarra would still be walking free looking for another victim.
Last edited by pacertom; 03/16/25 03:10 PM.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: pacertom]
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03/16/25 03:52 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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And let's face it, its public. Anyone is free to record anything they want, even the Feds. That's not exactly accurate. The citizens are free to record in public. There are supposed to be restrictions on the level of surveillance the government can use. Getting your photo or video taken in public is one thing. Being tracked by a system is another, usually requiring a warrant. A warrant is required for things like tracking cell phone data, or putting a GPS on a vehicle. Anyway, I watched a few videos on the subject and am just quoting things attorneys were pointing out. Here's an update on the Norfolk case: https://ij.org/press-release/judge-...rfolks-use-of-flock-cameras-can-proceed/
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/16/25 06:50 PM
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1oldbassguy
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my dads house was broken into a few years ago . He came home ( 87 at the time ) and they were still inside . The " illegal " that he tackled , threatened to kill him . Police involved ---etc.... My dad and the Police went to several other houses that had camera set up's ---looking for clues . Watched these three guys drive up and down the street --- they went to a nice house originally and turned away when they saw the camera's . Drove down the street and settled on robbing my dad's house because he had no camera's . The police told him they knew who these guys were because they were robbing high end houses without camera's . My dad now has 5 camera's in and around the house .
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/16/25 11:00 PM
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pacertom
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And let's face it, its public. Anyone is free to record anything they want, even the Feds. That's not exactly accurate. The citizens are free to record in public. There are supposed to be restrictions on the level of surveillance the government can use. Getting your photo or video taken in public is one thing. Being tracked by a system is another, usually requiring a warrant. A warrant is required for things like tracking cell phone data, or putting a GPS on a vehicle. Anyway, I watched a few videos on the subject and am just quoting things attorneys were pointing out. Here's an update on the Norfolk case: https://ij.org/press-release/judge-...rfolks-use-of-flock-cameras-can-proceed/Touche...Was being general as far as recording...Tracking, thats obviously a different story and shouldn't be allowed.
A MAN WILL NEVER GO TO HIS GRAVE WISHING HE'D FISHED LESS!!
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: pacertom]
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03/16/25 11:30 PM
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leethefishking
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My $.02.
We use them in our city to catch people with warrants and track down other criminals. Flock works.
Case #1: Elderly residents in my neighborhood were robbed by fake gas company people in broad daylight. A neighbor’s security cam got color and type of vehicle. Flock got the plate. Case #2: I served on a murder trial where a motorcycle gang shot and killed a member of another gang. Flock helped establish the travel patterns/timing connecting murderer to the act and Mande it a no-brainer to put his sorry butt in prison for life.
I couldn’t care less that a camera knows I went to the grocery store. It’s not intrusive. PD doesn’t care either- unless there’s a problem. What if your wife disappeared on her way to the cleaners? You’d be praying for a Flock trail. I shall quote a few....... Quote: Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) OTHER VERSIONS OF THE SAME QUOTE Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. Thomas Jefferson also said: He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them. Thomas Jefferson Unquote. It's silly to use a Thomas Jefferson quote to apply here, a time that didn't even have electricity. While I do agree there are potential dangers of this ability with bad actors but the benefits to society severely outweigh the danger. Especially with the terror threat that has been let into the US over the last few years. And let's face it, its public. Anyone is free to record anything they want, even the Feds. And what freedom is lost with this type of recording, tracking?? All that said, the real danger in this is a single person or authority to use this to their advantage...i.e... the police officer story tracking ex's. Or a (D) using it against an (R) before an election. Heck, I even hate turning on my location on Maps for my wife. If she can see it, so can someone else that has bad intentions. I am a leaning to allowing it as long as there are HARSH penalties for someone using it for their own benefit. Edit to add: Just the Laken Riley example alone should have most people supporting this. Without the video surveillance and cell phone tracking, Jose Ibarra would still be walking free looking for another victim. I think a lot of these issues such as tracking exes have been cleaned up along the way. To access any flock camera we have to input a case number from an active investigation before we even get access. Now this could be different based on your access but in my experience the case number has to be there. If you were dumb enough to make up a case number and it got checked you would not only lose your job but possibly face criminal sanctions.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: a777pilot]
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03/16/25 11:37 PM
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Scagnetti
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It's a bad/evil idea/technology. Anyone for this is just not thinking.
Would y'all want to live in China with this ever invasive system tracking you day and night.....with no escape?
"1984" was scary, but, not as scary as our reality of today.
I am so lucky to be so old. I pity those 30 and younger. Stewie, brah, remember we talked about taking a mental health break from social media. Let it go…
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/16/25 11:44 PM
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Gusick
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As long as they use it to watch the right people.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: Gusick]
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03/16/25 11:55 PM
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1oldbassguy
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As long as they use it to watch the right people. DEMOCRATS ---- are the right people
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: 1oldbassguy]
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03/17/25 12:32 AM
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As long as they use it to watch the right people. DEMOCRATS ---- are the right people Used to we always said it was the Russian spies among us, funny how times have changed.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: pacertom]
#15355896
03/17/25 12:50 AM
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Coach Hark
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My $.02.
We use them in our city to catch people with warrants and track down other criminals. Flock works.
Case #1: Elderly residents in my neighborhood were robbed by fake gas company people in broad daylight. A neighbor’s security cam got color and type of vehicle. Flock got the plate. Case #2: I served on a murder trial where a motorcycle gang shot and killed a member of another gang. Flock helped establish the travel patterns/timing connecting murderer to the act and Mande it a no-brainer to put his sorry butt in prison for life.
I couldn’t care less that a camera knows I went to the grocery store. It’s not intrusive. PD doesn’t care either- unless there’s a problem. What if your wife disappeared on her way to the cleaners? You’d be praying for a Flock trail. I shall quote a few....... Quote: Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) OTHER VERSIONS OF THE SAME QUOTE Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. Thomas Jefferson also said: He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them. Thomas Jefferson Unquote. It's silly to use a Thomas Jefferson quote to apply here, a time that didn't even have electricity. While I do agree there are potential dangers of this ability with bad actors but the benefits to society severely outweigh the danger. Especially with the terror threat that has been let into the US over the last few years. And let's face it, its public. Anyone is free to record anything they want, even the Feds. And what freedom is lost with this type of recording, tracking?? All that said, the real danger in this is a single person or authority to use this to their advantage...i.e... the police officer story tracking ex's. Or a (D) using it against an (R) before an election. Heck, I even hate turning on my location on Maps for my wife. If she can see it, so can someone else that has bad intentions. I am a leaning to allowing it as long as there are HARSH penalties for someone using it for their own benefit. Edit to add: Just the Laken Riley example alone should have most people supporting this. Without the video surveillance and cell phone tracking, Jose Ibarra would still be walking free looking for another victim. Thank you Tom pointing out the old quotes. I said the same thing. I don’t think Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson ever fled from gangstas with an AK doing a drive by or the Mexican drug cartels. 👍🏼💯‼️
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/17/25 02:05 AM
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leethefishking
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We had a murder here a few weeks ago in which illegal alien Juan Manuel Yanez killed his wife. Turns out he had two. Anyway, he called in on himself saying he killed his her. Of course he didn’t give his name. Technology, including Flock quickly pinned him down in Houston and he was arrested soon after . There is no doubt in my mind he planned on going to Houston, pick up his other wife then flee to Mexico, never to be seen from again.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: leethefishking]
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03/17/25 01:43 PM
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bshort
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To access any flock camera we have to input a case number from an active investigation before we even get access. Now this could be different based on your access but in my experience the case number has to be there. If you were dumb enough to make up a case number and it got checked you would not only lose your job but possibly face criminal sanctions.
You can type anything in the "reason" line to get access. The only time anyone would ever look at the audit trial is during an IA specifically over its use.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/17/25 01:58 PM
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UGLYSHCTICK
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does it tell invaders to get the FLOCK OUT !!!! if so it's worth it.
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Re: Flock surveillance system
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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03/17/25 02:34 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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Fun fact, "Flocking" is a popular or common slang word in the crime community, especially in So Cal, means basically "casing" a place to rob or burglarize it.
Example, "These fools were out flocking that rich part of the hills looking to turn a lick..."
The more you know!
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