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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: TxBazzn] #15343354 02/27/25 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TxBazzn
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Unsolicited is not legal. Anglers cannot solicit, receive or gather any information from anyone other than another competitor in the tournament. There not allowed any information that is not available publicly, whether it’s offered casually or not.

This is what Scott and Matt got busted on. Neither claimed to solicit the info.


You walking the docks telling everyone about your yellow spinnerbait pattern is public information it’s also unsolicited.


Isn’t that what happened to Scott? Random guy at boat ramp approaches him to chat and gives him his fishing report. Doubt Scott asked a random dude for fishing advice on a lake he lives on, guides on.

Per Scott, I asked what the water looked liked. It wasn't some random dude blurting out info. Scott asked him a question

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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Dubee] #15343386 02/27/25 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubee
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Unsolicited is not legal. Anglers cannot solicit, receive or gather any information from anyone other than another competitor in the tournament. There not allowed any information that is not available publicly, whether it’s offered casually or not.

This is what Scott and Matt got busted on. Neither claimed to solicit the info.


You walking the docks telling everyone about your yellow spinnerbait pattern is public information it’s also unsolicited.


Isn’t that what happened to Scott? Random guy at boat ramp approaches him to chat and gives him his fishing report. Doubt Scott asked a random dude for fishing advice on a lake he lives on, guides on.

Per Scott, I asked what the water looked liked. It wasn't some random dude blurting out info. Scott asked him a question


Which means he solicited information, still dumb, but against the rules.

Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: nfhbass] #15343390 02/27/25 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nfhbass
I’m speculating, but I would think there is more to Scott’s story than merely saying hello to someone and that person giving him information, something simple like, “they sure bit my yellow spinnerbait in the grass over by such and such place” I would think there was conversation, questions back and forth, something of substance. Something that would give competitive advantage.

You can’t unhear things, you can’t unsee things, they don’t shut their comments off on YouTube or elsewhere and there are plenty of unsolicited tips there. I get it, that’s public, and so and so forth. But that is nearly the same thing.

Maybe we’ll never know. I hear competitors talking to podcast hosts and it’s right in the edge of information sharing at times…


He said he was talking to the guys that were rigging his new Skeeter. It was substantially more than some random dudes at a boat ramp.


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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Dubee] #15343439 02/27/25 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubee
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Unsolicited is not legal. Anglers cannot solicit, receive or gather any information from anyone other than another competitor in the tournament. There not allowed any information that is not available publicly, whether it’s offered casually or not.

This is what Scott and Matt got busted on. Neither claimed to solicit the info.


You walking the docks telling everyone about your yellow spinnerbait pattern is public information it’s also unsolicited.


Isn’t that what happened to Scott? Random guy at boat ramp approaches him to chat and gives him his fishing report. Doubt Scott asked a random dude for fishing advice on a lake he lives on, guides on.

Per Scott, I asked what the water looked liked. It wasn't some random dude blurting out info. Scott asked him a question

No, per Scott he said he didn’t provoke, ask, or seek out the information. He said that multiple times.


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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Champion1] #15343440 02/27/25 11:46 PM
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“Unintentionally and inadvertently, I received information that violated the no information rule,” said Martin. “I was rigging my boat at the marina and was engaged in a conversation with an angler and simply did not shut it down quickly enough. This really hurts, as this lake is special to me and I was really looking forward to the event. That said, the integrity of our sport is paramount, and I have to deal with the consequences. This is a situation that can happen to any angler in the Elite field and in today’s world, we have to be vigilant and simply do things differently.”

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This sounds like a case of an extrovert being too extroverted “in the moment”. I see this all the time. Haha

Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Champion1] #15343450 02/28/25 12:01 AM
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That sounds like an auto question to me just chatting and not even thinking about it. I wonder how many times over done something similar, and didn't even think about the question, just making conversation. However, if he looked him in the eye and asked How's the water look?, yeah that's a bit different. But intent doesn't matter in this case. They voted for the rules didn't they?


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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: BrockstaRama] #15343454 02/28/25 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BrockstaRama
That sounds like an auto question to me just chatting and not even thinking about it. I wonder how many times over done something similar, and didn't even think about the question, just making conversation. However, if he looked him in the eye and asked How's the water look?, yeah that's a bit different. But intent doesn't matter in this case. They voted for the rules didn't they?


Yes, it just goes to show that the rule is stupid. Scott is being honest. Others haven’t been honest, some get caught others don’t. It’s just a big mess, that could be avoided, and was avoided up until 2018
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Isn’t that what happened to Scott? Random guy at boat ramp approaches him to chat and gives him his fishing report. Doubt Scott asked a random dude for fishing advice on a lake he lives on, guides on. [/quote]
Per Scott, I asked what the water looked liked. It wasn't some random dude blurting out info. Scott asked him a question [/quote]
No, per Scott he said he didn’t provoke, ask, or seek out the information. He said that multiple times.[/quote]

He clearly admitted to asking about water conditions. He said it on BASS live this morning

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Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Champion1] #15344979 03/02/25 01:02 AM
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It’s a rule that’s difficult if not impossible to enforce / apply properly. Too many ways to get information that the angler isn’t trying to get. People want to talk fishing with them. I doubt they care much what the club level guys or local tournaments guys have to say. Yet they have to shut it down.

It’s the Information age. Let them get anything they want. That way no issues with a rule.

There is such a thing as bad information. The best they get is from each other. They network with a few other guys to share info. Some share more than others. Ride with them and they might tell you who they travel with a share info with.

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Originally Posted by Fishspanker
It’s a rule that’s difficult if not impossible to enforce / apply properly. Too many ways to get information that the angler isn’t trying to get. People want to talk fishing with them. I doubt they care much what the club level guys or local tournaments guys have to say. Yet they have to shut it down.

It’s the Information age. Let them get anything they want. That way no issues with a rule.

There is such a thing as bad information. The best they get is from each other. They network with a few other guys to share info. Some share more than others. Ride with them and they might tell you who they travel with a share info with.

It’s not hard to politely cut folks off that are trying to give you info.

Re: Herron vs Martin [Re: Mulejockey1] #15345019 03/02/25 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
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So if I was at the ramp the morning of a tournament and walked around saying "good morning, they are on yellow spinnerbaits".. everyone I talked to would be DQed?
Someone could have easily put the person Scott was talking to up to this, this could have been malicious.

It's not lost that Roland was, according to rumor, the number 1 info solicitor ever


I'm actually going to try this at the Sabine!! Just to make a dang point. There might only be 25 anglers fishing that derby by Thursday. I'll record it to see how many risk getting caught (since it's the same penalty as self-reporting immediately,


That will be unsolicited information, it’s legal. Nobody is going to talk to you, ask questions and get solicited information from you, unless they want to wind up in trouble.

Where did you get this info? Are you saying Matt or scott asked for the information?

Mat and Scott participated in the conversation in which the information was exchanged


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Today I listened to the clip where Roland and Scott were talking about it to Davy Hite. I’m not sure I understand the “new information” vs the pre ‘18 “old info rule”. Roland conferred with Hite that they’ve never been allowed to solicite spot information, but that this “new information rule” that “everyone wanted” makes it harder to not violate the rule.

What is this new rule, and what is its purpose if they had an old info rule that said basically you weren’t allowed to call guide and get specific details.

I’m more confused the more i look into this issue.

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Originally Posted by nfhbass
Today I listened to the clip where Roland and Scott were talking about it to Davy Hite. I’m not sure I understand the “new information” vs the pre ‘18 “old info rule”. Roland conferred with Hite that they’ve never been allowed to solicite spot information, but that this “new information rule” that “everyone wanted” makes it harder to not violate the rule.

What is this new rule, and what is its purpose if they had an old info rule that said basically you weren’t allowed to call guide and get specific details.

I’m more confused the more i look into this issue.

There was no information rule prior to 2018. Prior to Lake Conroe going off limits for the 2017 Classic, I saw about half the field going out with local tournament fishermen.


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