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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Douglas J]
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02/26/25 10:07 PM
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nfhbass
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I just think these top level touring pros are put in a weird place on a slippery slope.
Fisherman like to talk. For whatever reason, some really like to spill the beans at the ramp.
Scott Martin seems like a guy that likes to talk. So, his personality got the best of him, he talked too much, too much blabbering on.
Pretty silly mistake to make on your home water and probably favored to win.
It probably pays to be an introvert in this regard….
He came clean, dumb mistake but an honest one. He broke a rule, he’s not a cheater, he was honest about it.
Herren hasn’t evolved, he’s a part of the dying breed, best off to just leave nicely if you don’t want to do social media as a touring pros AND hate FFS. Scott has done a great job of “staying young” and relevant, has a large social media presence, and is still competitive.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Douglas J]
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02/26/25 10:44 PM
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Jaredk
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He’s always seemed like a huge douche but I love “his” old spinnerbaits
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: buda13]
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02/26/25 11:01 PM
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TxBazzn
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: TxBazzn]
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02/26/25 11:22 PM
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Harleydude
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass. Or catching a Share a Lunker without a license.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Harleydude]
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02/26/25 11:34 PM
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HookaToad
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass. Or catching a Share a Lunker without a license. LOL ...or being a democrat...
Good Fishing and God Bless
“I’d rather be a failure at something I enjoy than to be a success at something I hate”
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: HookaToad]
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02/27/25 12:01 AM
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Harleydude
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass. Or catching a Share a Lunker without a license. LOL ...or being a democrat... That one deserves all the fury that gets thrown at it.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Douglas J]
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02/27/25 12:18 AM
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Champion1
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This screwed up my Fantasy team thanks a lot Scott. LOL
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: avid_basser]
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02/27/25 12:39 AM
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DanXB-21
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... I think it all depends on the circumstances and how it was communicated to the field. This ^^^^^ It doesn't seem that Herron acted on the info he got... I can see why he didn't self report... Now if he acted on the info that's a different story... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: TxBazzn]
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02/27/25 01:14 AM
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78Staff
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass. Lol both of my neighbors are always asking me how come I never bring any fish home to eat  Life on the coast, everyone thinks you are fishing for snapper, triggerfish, redfish etc.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: 78Staff]
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02/27/25 01:18 AM
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nfhbass
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In the court of TFF they would be absolutely roasted, treated as if they had a limit of fish in a basket.
Yep. Only thing that would get a TFF'r more heated is seeing a guy filet a limit of bass. Lol both of my neighbors are always asking me how come I never bring any fish home to eat  Life on the coast, everyone thinks you are fishing for snapper, triggerfish, redfish etc. You don’t bring them a few bass fillets?
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Champion1]
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02/27/25 01:59 AM
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SteezMacQueen
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This screwed up my Fantasy team thanks a lot Scott. LOL Everyone had Martin for Big O. So you’re no worse off.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Douglas J]
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02/28/25 06:42 AM
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HookaToad
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I have some questions pertaining to this rule...based on a few scenarios...
Lets say Mark Perry is fishing a pro level event at lake X in two days and is in the local tackle store buying some lures. As he puts the lures on the counter, he says to the clerk, "Hey what do the fish like to bite this time of year?" The two of them then have a 3 - 4 minute conversation discussing in full lures, water depths, locations etc. #1 Mark goes on to fish the event in every location they discussed using every lure they discussed in the exact water depth they discussed. #2 Mark goes on to fish the event, however, he never used a single lure, never fished the water depth, nor any of the locations that he discussed with the clerk.
#1 is the very definition of the rule - easy #2 some say still easy and he violated the rule, others say "did he have the conversation to gain some sort of competitive advantage" because if it was just small talk and he didn't use the info then not so easy
Okay, this time as Mark puts the lures on the counter and says nothing. The clerk however says to Mark "those are really good lures you are getting, especially around the 147 bridge pilings and FM113 overpass rip rap fished on a texas rig", before Mark has a chance to say "hey I'm not allowed to receive any information. They have no further conversation.
#1 Mark goes on to fish the event and catches them on texas rig on the 147 bridge pilings (because that was always Mark's game plan even before the tackle shop)
Last one, this time while Mark is looking at the lure selection, he overhears me buying some lures and having a conversation with the clerk about how well the lures were working and the key areas that are productive. Neither the clerk or I have any conversation with Mark. Can he buy and use the lures? If so, can he fish them in those key areas?
All this boils down to my question...Just how easy is it to "set up" one of these guys or make certain aspects off limits to the pro?
(To be clear, I don't believe Mark Perry has or would violate that rule or any other for that matter. Only thing he is guilty of is not sending me a Christmas card or even a thank you note after all the money he won from me over the years!)
Good Fishing and God Bless
“I’d rather be a failure at something I enjoy than to be a success at something I hate”
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: HookaToad]
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02/28/25 01:22 PM
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tmd11111
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I have some questions pertaining to this rule...based on a few scenarios...
Lets say Mark Perry is fishing a pro level event at lake X in two days and is in the local tackle store buying some lures. As he puts the lures on the counter, he says to the clerk, "Hey what do the fish like to bite this time of year?" The two of them then have a 3 - 4 minute conversation discussing in full lures, water depths, locations etc. #1 Mark goes on to fish the event in every location they discussed using every lure they discussed in the exact water depth they discussed. #2 Mark goes on to fish the event, however, he never used a single lure, never fished the water depth, nor any of the locations that he discussed with the clerk.
#1 is the very definition of the rule - easy #2 some say still easy and he violated the rule, others say "did he have the conversation to gain some sort of competitive advantage" because if it was just small talk and he didn't use the info then not so easy
Okay, this time as Mark puts the lures on the counter and says nothing. The clerk however says to Mark "those are really good lures you are getting, especially around the 147 bridge pilings and FM113 overpass rip rap fished on a texas rig", before Mark has a chance to say "hey I'm not allowed to receive any information. They have no further conversation.
#1 Mark goes on to fish the event and catches them on texas rig on the 147 bridge pilings (because that was always Mark's game plan even before the tackle shop)
Last one, this time while Mark is looking at the lure selection, he overhears me buying some lures and having a conversation with the clerk about how well the lures were working and the key areas that are productive. Neither the clerk or I have any conversation with Mark. Can he buy and use the lures? If so, can he fish them in those key areas?
All this boils down to my question...Just how easy is it to "set up" one of these guys or make certain aspects off limits to the pro?
(To be clear, I don't believe Mark Perry has or would violate that rule or any other for that matter. Only thing he is guilty of is not sending me a Christmas card or even a thank you note after all the money he won from me over the years!) Only thing I got out is this is Mark's a 
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: Douglas J]
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02/28/25 02:28 PM
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prosise
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This exact topic is basically what started (Fish Boat Docks).. When the golden boys have inconclusive polygraph tests, and they are not removed from the payout. I think that is so jacked up, and am totally on board with #FBD. When the playing field is not on the same level, it gets very dramatic. There has always been drama in tournaments, all the way down to the smaller ones. Either you are on the level, or you are not. Shady is, what shady people do.
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Re: DQ on local or regional level
[Re: HookaToad]
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02/28/25 06:56 PM
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Txduckhunter
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I have some questions pertaining to this rule...based on a few scenarios...
Lets say Mark Perry is fishing a pro level event at lake X in two days and is in the local tackle store buying some lures. As he puts the lures on the counter, he says to the clerk, "Hey what do the fish like to bite this time of year?" The two of them then have a 3 - 4 minute conversation discussing in full lures, water depths, locations etc. #1 Mark goes on to fish the event in every location they discussed using every lure they discussed in the exact water depth they discussed. #2 Mark goes on to fish the event, however, he never used a single lure, never fished the water depth, nor any of the locations that he discussed with the clerk.
#1 is the very definition of the rule - easy #2 some say still easy and he violated the rule, others say "did he have the conversation to gain some sort of competitive advantage" because if it was just small talk and he didn't use the info then not so easy
Okay, this time as Mark puts the lures on the counter and says nothing. The clerk however says to Mark "those are really good lures you are getting, especially around the 147 bridge pilings and FM113 overpass rip rap fished on a texas rig", before Mark has a chance to say "hey I'm not allowed to receive any information. They have no further conversation.
#1 Mark goes on to fish the event and catches them on texas rig on the 147 bridge pilings (because that was always Mark's game plan even before the tackle shop)
Last one, this time while Mark is looking at the lure selection, he overhears me buying some lures and having a conversation with the clerk about how well the lures were working and the key areas that are productive. Neither the clerk or I have any conversation with Mark. Can he buy and use the lures? If so, can he fish them in those key areas?
All this boils down to my question...Just how easy is it to "set up" one of these guys or make certain aspects off limits to the pro?
(To be clear, I don't believe Mark Perry has or would violate that rule or any other for that matter. Only thing he is guilty of is not sending me a Christmas card or even a thank you note after all the money he won from me over the years!) Please repost with something believable. Mark Perry doesn't ask the counter guy for tips - the counter guys asks Mark for tips... 
Last edited by Txduckhunter; 02/28/25 06:57 PM.
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