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Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318394 01/30/25 03:30 PM
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Just last week a military jet crashed in Alaska, and now this. Plane crashed tend to run in three's. I'm keeping my feet on the ground for awhile.

Re: DCA crash [Re: Slicefixer] #15318397 01/30/25 03:33 PM
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terrible tragedy for all involved.....prayers sent for victims and their families.....

why are army helicopters flying around in the flight/landing patterns for a busy airport?????

My uneducated guess is that it was a very young man/woman with limited experience who made a mistake and got into the wrong airspace.


From what I can gather there's a helo flight corridor up and down the Potomac that crosses the final approach corridor into Reagan. Apparently this was a spacing error as the helo was suppose to pass behind the AA jet. Obviously the helo pilot didn't see the jet until it was too late, if at all.

This simply can't happen.....

But, over the past few years there have been numerous runway incursions, near collisions, etc. The airspace is getting very crowded, ATC equipment long in the tooth, and apparently ATC controllers being chosen via factors other than merit.....bad combo.

Dang...


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This'll give you some idea of the traffic.... TX corridor and N Atlantic corridor right now..... and this does NOT include military traffic, private traffic, VFR traffic, helo traffic, etc. I'm in awe that they can coordinate all the traffic in the air at the same time. I understand reasonably well HOW they do it, but, to safely pull it off all over the world 24/7 is simply incredible to me.

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Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318448 01/30/25 04:24 PM
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Why is a helicopter in the flight/approach path for Reagan National?

Re: DCA crash [Re: Slicefixer] #15318465 01/30/25 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Slicefixer
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Trump should not have fired all the air traffic controllers


Butch, under the circumstances, how you can let your political ideology cloud your common sense (Trump has been in office 10 days) in order to make such a patently ridiculous statement (parroting the latest corrupt media narrative) is beyond me....

67 people are D E A D less 12 hours Butch, and your FIRST instinct is to blame Trump??

Yesterday and the day before, Air Traffic Controllers were discussing the severance emails they received on social media. With 99% of towers understaffed and 2,000 ATC hires on hold— but needed in 2025 just to keep up with mandatory retirements—it’s possible the email and hiring freeze contributed to a human factor distraction. Only military ATC positions are currently listed, while government job sites for civilian roles went dark a few days ago due to the hiring freeze EO. So, understaffed and overworked ATCs received a severance email, while half the country is directing hate toward federal employees. Here’s a screenshot of ATCs discussing the severance emails.

BTW, I’m a lifelong pilot, have been deeply involved with command and control systems, and a family member literally wrote the book on ATC risks, along with another Pulitzer-nominated book on the Challenger launch decision. In aviation, human factor distractions and decisions can be deadly. If the Blackhawk was, in fact, flying dark, it certainly added to the risk—but someone made that decision, and someone in leadership chose to marginalize safety oversight.

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Originally Posted by Slicefixer

But, over the past few years there have been numerous runway incursions, near collisions, etc. The airspace is getting very crowded, ATC equipment long in the tooth (severely outdated), and apparently ATC controllers being chosen via factors other than merit.....bad combo.


Word.

I feel like the last 5ish years I have heard every other week about a very close call. Also about the shortage of ATC folks and how although "safe" the infrastructure of all our equipment and staffing levels etc. is very fragile and needs big time investment and improvement...

I supposed you can only have X number of close calls before you [censored] out on one.

Prayers up. Terrible deal all the way around.

Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318482 01/30/25 04:53 PM
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President Trump just correctly called out Biden and Obama for hiring DEI employees at the FAA and other critical agencies...

Trump says “TALENT” needs to be the priority and that’s why he signed an executive order against DEI and for MERIT...

Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318489 01/30/25 05:01 PM
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Trump is at it again.

Why can he not just express condolences...say experts will investigate and move on.

DEI talks etc is inappropriate. Conjecture serves no one.

His talk of them being at the same altitude is ignorance. The CRJ was on approach....close to landing...descending to land....in a left turn ...belly up to Southbound traffic. Someone correctly stated the TCAS was inhibited....

This accident occured at 400 feet....assuming a three degree path to the runway, this means 1.3 miles from touchdown.

Where do you suppose pilots eyes are focused on mile from touchdown?

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Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318507 01/30/25 05:34 PM
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Some are trying to make something of two different radio frequencies in use...

Might be because military aircraft use uhf radios primarily, while civilians use vhf exclusively.


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Re: DCA crash [Re: Pilothawk] #15318509 01/30/25 05:36 PM
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President Trump has more information than all the talking heads on garbage news sources, he also has a pretty good record of being correct.


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President Trump has more information than all the talking heads on garbage news sources, he also has a pretty good record of being correct.


I'm honestly curious how he (or really anyone else) would have any meaningful insight into the cause of this while they are still fishing bodies out of the river.

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US figure skaters, their families and coaches, plus 2 Russian skaters were on board? Very sad. angel2


Hopefully the media isn't selective and tells us if there were any warehouse workers, construction workers, fast food workers, mechanics, landscapers, etc... on board too.

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Originally Posted by Floon Swenson
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President Trump has more information than all the talking heads on garbage news sources, he also has a pretty good record of being correct.


I'm honestly curious how he (or really anyone else) would have any meaningful insight into the cause of this while they are still fishing bodies out of the river.

How long do you think it will take to find the cause? The obvious is clear and I don’t see how stating it is wrong.


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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
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President Trump has more information than all the talking heads on garbage news sources, he also has a pretty good record of being correct.


I'm honestly curious how he (or really anyone else) would have any meaningful insight into the cause of this while they are still fishing bodies out of the river.

How long do you think it will take to find the cause? The obvious is clear and I don’t see how stating it is wrong.


You got me, I've never investigated a plane crash. I don't know that I've ever seen or heard of a plane crash where the cause was known in the first few hours, though.

Re: DCA crash [Re: Mulejockey1] #15318536 01/30/25 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulejockey1
President Trump has more information than all the talking heads on garbage news sources, he also has a pretty good record of being correct.


Hegseth mentioned both were at 400 feet , I am sure he advised Trump .
This was most likely a systems failure or communications , possibly both .
I do remember when congress was asking questions of the new FAA director --- he was more concerned about DEI than addressing actual problems .

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