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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Mudshark] #15216119 10/12/24 11:17 PM
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Try 68/69 gr OTM up to a 77 gr. OTM. Don't drift as much is my experience.



I will try that next. I will also hang some ribbon down range and learn how to deal with it. I don’t do a lot of long range shooting, 200 yards isn’t that far but it’s the farthest my range has to offer.

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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Mudshark] #15216146 10/13/24 12:19 AM
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I have a 20" barrel. It makes a difference.


I was shooting the Ruger American today. 16 inch barrel. I was able to stack a few shots and then the wind would kick up and the difference was very noticeable



Old age and getting fatigued had nothing to do with it of course.



You forgot poor eyesight as well. I need a better scope on this set up.
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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Mudshark] #15216163 10/13/24 12:48 AM
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200 yards is getting out there for the average 5.56 with the shorter barrel. There are a number of YouTube videos out there where the gun is in a fixed holder and they shoot different ARs and different Ammo at different ranges at different conditions to show the grouping. Pretty interesting how much differences come into play as distance increases. Ammo you shoot makes a considerable difference.

They talk about how the shot the clown that tried to assassinate Trump in PA wasn’t that hard of a shot. Go to a range and see what people actually shoot at that distance. Usually there are a couple of good shooters, a group of normal shooters and a few that can’t even hit the target. Really no stress at the range.

IDK why the crazies always have a AR-15. That’s not what the snipers are shooting. There is a reason for that.

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Originally Posted by Fishspanker
200 yards is getting out there for the average 5.56 with the shorter barrel. There are a number of YouTube videos out there where the gun is in a fixed holder and they shoot different ARs and different Ammo at different ranges at different conditions to show the grouping. Pretty interesting how much differences come into play as distance increases.

They talk about how the shot the clown that tried to assassinate Trump in PA wasn’t that hard of a shot. Go to a range and see what people actually shoot at that distance. Usually there are a couple of good shooters, a group of normal shooters and a few that can’t even hit the target. Really no stress at the range.

IDK why the crazies always have a AR-15. That’s not what the snipers are shooting. There is a reason for that.



The extra 100 yards exposes a lot of flaws. I shoot a lot of rimfire. At 50 yards I feel pretty salty. At 100 yards, I get pretty quiet. At 100 yards with the Ruger I’m happy with my groups, even though I know with better equipment, it could be a lot better. Extend that out another 100 yards and small mistakes equate to big misses. I’m going to experiment with heavier ammo. I just found a stash of 62 grain ammo I forgot about, More than I thought I had but that is a different story. The set up I’m shooting is great for coyotes but not that great for tight groups at distance. I think if I had a bit more scope and the right ammo I could get 2 inch groups or better but if I want to be more consistent I will need better gear. Either way, it’s fun learning the ballistics of it all.

Trying to group on paper and hitting an 8 inch steel target are two different things. Looking at my target from today, I’d have hit an 8 inch steel target with 29 of the 30 rounds I shot. If the steel plate was out another 100 yards, I would have probably hit about 50%

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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Mudshark] #15216177 10/13/24 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mudshark
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200 yards is getting out there for the average 5.56 with the shorter barrel. There are a number of YouTube videos out there where the gun is in a fixed holder and they shoot different ARs and different Ammo at different ranges at different conditions to show the grouping. Pretty interesting how much differences come into play as distance increases.

They talk about how the shot the clown that tried to assassinate Trump in PA wasn’t that hard of a shot. Go to a range and see what people actually shoot at that distance. Usually there are a couple of good shooters, a group of normal shooters and a few that can’t even hit the target. Really no stress at the range.

IDK why the crazies always have a AR-15. That’s not what the snipers are shooting. There is a reason for that.



The extra 100 yards exposes a lot of flaws. I shoot a lot of rimfire. At 50 yards I feel pretty salty. At 100 yards, I get pretty quiet. At 100 yards with the Ruger I’m happy with my groups, even though I know with better equipment, it could be a lot better. Extend that out another 100 yards and small mistakes equate to big misses. I’m going to experiment with heavier ammo. I just found a stash of 62 grain ammo I forgot about, More than I thought I had but that is a different story. The set up I’m shooting is great for coyotes but not that great for tight groups at distance. I think if I had a bit more scope and the right ammo I could get 2 inch groups or better but if I want to be more consistent I will need better gear. Either way, it’s fun learning the ballistics of it all.


Without taking out some of the variables it’s harder to tell what a good grouping is. Having the gun fixed takes out the shooter and optics variable. The grouping ends up being a sum total of everything. A lot of it’s on the shooter. Some of it like rifle quality, ammo, optic isn’t .


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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Fishspanker] #15216178 10/13/24 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishspanker
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200 yards is getting out there for the average 5.56 with the shorter barrel. There are a number of YouTube videos out there where the gun is in a fixed holder and they shoot different ARs and different Ammo at different ranges at different conditions to show the grouping. Pretty interesting how much differences come into play as distance increases.

They talk about how the shot the clown that tried to assassinate Trump in PA wasn’t that hard of a shot. Go to a range and see what people actually shoot at that distance. Usually there are a couple of good shooters, a group of normal shooters and a few that can’t even hit the target. Really no stress at the range.

IDK why the crazies always have a AR-15. That’s not what the snipers are shooting. There is a reason for that.



The extra 100 yards exposes a lot of flaws. I shoot a lot of rimfire. At 50 yards I feel pretty salty. At 100 yards, I get pretty quiet. At 100 yards with the Ruger I’m happy with my groups, even though I know with better equipment, it could be a lot better. Extend that out another 100 yards and small mistakes equate to big misses. I’m going to experiment with heavier ammo. I just found a stash of 62 grain ammo I forgot about, More than I thought I had but that is a different story. The set up I’m shooting is great for coyotes but not that great for tight groups at distance. I think if I had a bit more scope and the right ammo I could get 2 inch groups or better but if I want to be more consistent I will need better gear. Either way, it’s fun learning the ballistics of it all.


Without taking out some of the variables it’s harder to tell what a good grouping is. Having the gun fixed takes out the shooter and optics variable. The grouping ends up being a sum total of everything. A lot of it’s on the shooter. Some of it like rifle quality, ammo, optic isn’t .



Last week, I shot from a sled. It wasn’t as stable as I thought it would be. Today I shot from sand bags. I did much better today. On one group of 6 shots, 3 were right on top of each other, the other three were off by 4-5 inches. I really think the wind was the biggest factor.


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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: Mudshark] #15216181 10/13/24 01:12 AM
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US Marine Corps rifleman qualifying is at 500 yards (then 300 and 200) with their off the rack M16's.

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The 5.56 is not a sniper round fo sho but is capable out to 600 yards.


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200 yards is getting out there for the average 5.56 with the shorter barrel. There are a number of YouTube videos out there where the gun is in a fixed holder and they shoot different ARs and different Ammo at different ranges at different conditions to show the grouping. Pretty interesting how much differences come into play as distance increases.

They talk about how the shot the clown that tried to assassinate Trump in PA wasn’t that hard of a shot. Go to a range and see what people actually shoot at that distance. Usually there are a couple of good shooters, a group of normal shooters and a few that can’t even hit the target. Really no stress at the range.

IDK why the crazies always have a AR-15. That’s not what the snipers are shooting. There is a reason for that.



The extra 100 yards exposes a lot of flaws. I shoot a lot of rimfire. At 50 yards I feel pretty salty. At 100 yards, I get pretty quiet. At 100 yards with the Ruger I’m happy with my groups, even though I know with better equipment, it could be a lot better. Extend that out another 100 yards and small mistakes equate to big misses. I’m going to experiment with heavier ammo. I just found a stash of 62 grain ammo I forgot about, More than I thought I had but that is a different story. The set up I’m shooting is great for coyotes but not that great for tight groups at distance. I think if I had a bit more scope and the right ammo I could get 2 inch groups or better but if I want to be more consistent I will need better gear. Either way, it’s fun learning the ballistics of it all.


Without taking out some of the variables it’s harder to tell what a good grouping is. Having the gun fixed takes out the shooter and optics variable. The grouping ends up being a sum total of everything. A lot of it’s on the shooter. Some of it like rifle quality, ammo, optic isn’t .



Last week, I shot from a sled. It wasn’t as stable as I thought it would be. Today I shot from sand bags. I did much better today. On one group of 6 shots, 3 were right on top of each other, the other three were off by 4-5 inches. I really think the wind was the biggest factor.


Probably the wind . Those 55 grain rounds will float.


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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: RayBob] #15216188 10/13/24 01:17 AM
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US Marine Corps rifleman qualifying is at 500 yards (then 300 and 200) with their off the rack M16's.

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The 5.56 is not a sniper round fo sho but is capable out to 600 yards.



Maybe I should take a step up to a .308?


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Originally Posted by Mudshark
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US Marine Corps rifleman qualifying is at 500 yards (then 300 and 200) with their off the rack M16's.

read it here

The 5.56 is not a sniper round fo sho but is capable out to 600 yards.



Maybe I should take a step up to a .308?


Now you talkin' ! Or a 6.5 Creedmoor if you want to be trendy !


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Re: 5.56 at 200 yards [Re: RayBob] #15216194 10/13/24 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RayBob
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US Marine Corps rifleman qualifying is at 500 yards (then 300 and 200) with their off the rack M16's.

read it here

The 5.56 is not a sniper round fo sho but is capable out to 600 yards.



Maybe I should take a step up to a .308?


Now you talkin' ! Or a 6.5 Creedmoor if you want to be trendy !


I have tried real hard to minimize the number of calibers I shoot. .22, 9mm, 5.56. I buy in bulk and shoot a lot of it. This is really the first time I have tried to extend my range. I’m going to play with it a bit more but I know what the answer will be.


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Originally Posted by Mudshark
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US Marine Corps rifleman qualifying is at 500 yards (then 300 and 200) with their off the rack M16's.

read it here

The 5.56 is not a sniper round fo sho but is capable out to 600 yards.



Maybe I should take a step up to a .308?


Now you talkin' ! Or a 6.5 Creedmoor if you want to be trendy !


I have tried real hard to minimize the number of calibers I shoot. .22, 9mm, 5.56. I buy in bulk and shoot a lot of it. This is really the first time I have tried to extend my range. I’m going to play with it a bit more but I know what the answer will be.


Same here. Although I'm spread a little more thinly. Bulk 5.56/.223, 9mm,.45acp. I just bought my 1st .308 bolt last year, a Tikka, (I have a Savage 99 carbine I inherited). I have multiple big game caliber centerfires but most get shot less than 20 times a year just to keep them zeroed.

I really like the Ruger American line. I run around the farm here with a .22WMR and it's light and accurate.


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Marine annual rifle qualification scoring

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Marine annual rifle qualification scoring



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In my mind there is a difference between target shooting and tactical shooting. I’m not going to pretend I’m an operator. I am a fat, middle aged white guy and will not be engaging a target that is shooting back at me. Props for those who are.. I think I can hit the kill zone on most of those targets most of the time. I think I shot pretty bad today from sand bags in a controlled environment but even with the fliers, I was within an a 8 inch group. I’d like to get within a 2 inch or less group at 200 yards. That is still not elite but better than what I am doing now. I don’t think I am shooting a rifle or the right ammo to do that yet, but I think I will get there. My issue is I don’t shoot enough with other people to know what good really looks like. I don’t think I’m good at this distance and would like to see what a good shooter can do under the same conditions


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