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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: pchapin]
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08/21/24 05:53 PM
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OkAce
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I've only watched one video with a polygraphist(?) If I took anything away from how he described it and the multitude of ways they tested it for accuracy I'm a pretty firm believer that if you fail you lied I have taken polygraphs and passed on questions where I was lying and failed questions where I was telling the truth. That just means you lie more than you tell the truth
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Sinkey]
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08/21/24 08:30 PM
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grandbassslayer
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This is the problem with todays society.....why in HELL are anglers parents involved? Your sons are competing (working) for BASS. It's your sons responsibility to handle the situations. Not parents.
This is exactly what has happened to all of our school systems as well. Too many parents that cant let their kids handle themselves and let them out from under the wing. Kids or young men are too damn soft these days. Maybe daddy is bankrolling his season- maybe he is is agent or manager?😆. I agree though it seems parents don’t want their kids to fall on flat- ever. This is my wife to a tee…
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: GeoFisher]
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08/21/24 09:52 PM
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pchapin
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I've only watched one video with a polygraphist(?) If I took anything away from how he described it and the multitude of ways they tested it for accuracy I'm a pretty firm believer that if you fail you lied I have taken polygraphs and passed on questions where I was lying and failed questions where I was telling the truth. Maybe so, but each elite series angler knows that a polygraph will be the beat all-end all before they pay their entry fees. It's what they sign up for. That is correct. Not getting the job was the accepted result for me.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/21/24 09:55 PM
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Why do they not polygraph the olds?
Is it that most finish in last 25% of the field now?
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/21/24 10:11 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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Why do they not polygraph the olds?
Is it that most finish in last 25% of the field now? Ya nailed it.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/21/24 10:16 PM
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grandbassslayer
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Why do they not polygraph the olds?
Is it that most finish in last 25% of the field now? That why they call it the “cheater box”…..😆
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/22/24 01:44 AM
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Used2fish
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You only hear about failed polys. They give polys year round. Gave cory one when he won in Florida. He passed.
You don’t know that they don’t “give olds polys” maybe they just aren’t tit bags and pass.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/22/24 12:12 PM
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RKT
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Is this the first polygraph that JT has taken this year as an Elite angler? If he has already taken one and passed it then his dads theory is blown out. If receiving info before he came an elite angler caused the indication of deception then the same thing would have happened on any prior polygraphs. Therefore, if he has has taken a previous polygraph then the information received that would trigger the indicator had to have happened since the previous polygraph. Even if it is his first polygraph the examiner would have taken him off the machine after completing the first round and asked for any clarification of why he indicated deception. They would have cleared the pre-elite information out of JT's mind and then taken the polygraph again with the question worded to avoid pre Elite qualifying information. I am not buying any of the excuses one bit unless they have a terrible polygraph examiner.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/22/24 12:18 PM
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Parents getting involved will only hurt JT. That's a bad look. For sponsors who are they dealing with JT? or JT and his parents.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: the skipper]
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08/22/24 04:35 PM
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I would be pissed if my parents did something like that. Let the boys learn how to be men, even if they make a few mistakes. Heck, even if it cost them their shot at fishing for a living it would be a good life lesson Dumbest [censored] I have ever heard!!
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: jiggmann]
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08/22/24 04:45 PM
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Dale Gribble
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I would be pissed if my parents did something like that. Let the boys learn how to be men, even if they make a few mistakes. Heck, even if it cost them their shot at fishing for a living it would be a good life lesson Dumbest [censored] I have ever heard!! are you a helicopter or lawn mower parent ? I really don't think that was dumb at all.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/22/24 05:41 PM
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I am going to post this because I really believe it matters who is giving the polygraph and how questions are asked. I have a friend who had won a couple tournaments and was leading the points in a ,major team circuit a few years ago and they are legit. He got asked a question after about his 4th polygraph of the season that is really disturbing. He got asked if he had ever considered cheating in a tournament. now before i get roasted think about that question and everything you all have read the past 2 years. This guy would never do anything like that but after sitting around a campfire the night before a tournament and having a beer or 2 and guys messing with him about how good they were doing, What if someone asked them if they are staking them out, hole setting, whatever. But if even thought about what theyb said would it be considered cheating. Guess what he answered yes on polygraph and passed. The questions in a polygraph can determine a lot.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Skeeterbug 1]
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08/22/24 05:45 PM
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RKT
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I am going to post this because I really believe it matters who is giving the polygraph and how questions are asked. I have a friend who had won a couple tournaments and was leading the points in a ,major team circuit a few years ago and they are legit. He got asked a question after about his 4th polygraph of the season that is really disturbing. He got asked if he had ever considered cheating in a tournament. now before i get roasted think about that question and everything you all have read the past 2 years. This guy would never do anything like that but after sitting around a campfire the night before a tournament and having a beer or 2 and guys messing with him about how good they were doing, What if someone asked them if they are staking them out, hole setting, whatever. But if even thought about what theyb said would it be considered cheating. Guess what he answered yes on polygraph and passed. The questions in a polygraph can determine a lot. The problem with your statement is that if he answered yes to that question he would not fail the polygraph or lose his winnings. That is likely a control question to set parameters. However, in my opinion - If it is a control question it is a bad one.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/22/24 06:17 PM
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Skeeterbug 1
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RFT - It to me is an ethical question. Looking at everything that has come out in the JT situation I truly believe JT was in the right. There are a couple rookies I would question but JT or Trey are not a couple of them. that's just my opinion from following BASS all, year. There is so many moving parts tom this investigation that what should of happened is if JT was in top 50 let him and 51st angler fish on Saturday till investigation is done then award accordingly. I think there i way to much he said she said to justify a DQ. But BASS rule state a DQ so be it. Not saying I'm right or they are right but there are alternatives.
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Re: J.T. Thompkins Dad speaks out
[Re: Skeeterbug 1]
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08/22/24 06:58 PM
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RKT
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RFT - It to me is an ethical question. Looking at everything that has come out in the JT situation I truly believe JT was in the right. There are a couple rookies I would question but JT or Trey are not a couple of them. that's just my opinion from following BASS all, year. There is so many moving parts tom this investigation that what should of happened is if JT was in top 50 let him and 51st angler fish on Saturday till investigation is done then award accordingly. I think there i way to much he said she said to justify a DQ. But BASS rule state a DQ so be it. Not saying I'm right or they are right but there are alternatives. I think their polygraph policy is BASS's way to get out of the he said she said stuff. We all know polygraph's are not perfect but it is about the only way to solve a he said she said situation in tournaments.
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