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 Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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Other species are probably not far behind. Die hard crappie fishermen/women will twist off if they limit the number of rods/hooks in the water at one time. 
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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Haters are going to hate. Live Scope will not catch the fish for you.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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I don't believe the article is casting shade on FFS in particular but only a byproduct based on a focused 3 year study. They answered their own question if it is having an impact from a conservation perspective of the resource.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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Haters are going to hate. Live Scope will not catch the fish for you. Maybe not for all fisherman, but it apparently does for some. ''''Meals said the study revealed that anglers using the new technology were catching two to three times more fish than those that did not and have created a situation that is no longer sustainable for the fisheries.''''
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 01:30 PM
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"Haters are going to hate. Live Scope will not catch the fish for you."
while I'm not anti FFS this argument is not the point. Of course it will not catch the fish for you but it increases pressure by locating where fish are in real time. Not to go all randy but using a spot light will not hunt dear for you but it will increase your odds right? Still have to aim and get a clean shot etc etc.
This is gaslighting arguments that both sides of our political spectrum tries to use. So and So is doing everything he can to secure the border because they signed X bill into law when we all know the bill does nothing to stop the flow for example.
What a dumb/lazy response, obviously FFS is not a device that catches fish for you, why say something so stupid? Using night vision does not hunt deer for you, duh. But it does and can increase pressure on a resource. No one can deny that this is a tool that helps you find fish, what you are able to do with that information is irrelevant.
Metal bats hit home runs for you!? No but it increases your chances based on the distance a ball can travel of because of the larger “sweet spot”.
Im all for debate and im not anti FFS but im anti stupid lazy arguments.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 01:45 PM
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"Haters are going to hate. Live Scope will not catch the fish for you."
while I'm not anti FFS this argument is not the point. Of course it will not catch the fish for you but it increases pressure by locating where fish are in real time. Not to go all randy but using a spot light will not hunt dear for you but it will increase your odds right? Still have to aim and get a clean shot etc etc.
This is gaslighting arguments that both sides of our political spectrum tries to use. So and So is doing everything he can to secure the border because they signed X bill into law when we all know the bill does nothing to stop the flow for example.
What a dumb/lazy response, obviously FFS is not a device that catches fish for you, why say something so stupid? Using night vision does not hunt deer for you, duh. But it does and can increase pressure on a resource. No one can deny that this is a tool that helps you find fish, what you are able to do with that information is irrelevant.
Metal bats hit home runs for you!? No but it increases your chances based on the distance a ball can travel of because of the larger “sweet spot”.
Im all for debate and im not anti FFS but im anti stupid lazy arguments.
Tap the brakes by calling some elses response 'dumb and/or lazy'. - FFS is not illegal; NV for hunting game animals is illegal. - Larger sweet spot on metal or composite bats? Pre-BBCore that was the case. With the BBCore rule in play and all bats utilized at the summer ball, high school, and collegiate level inspected pre game that is not the case. Good hitters with great mechanics hit home runs.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 01:54 PM
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sorry next time i will add a trigger warning to my response - I agree shouldn't call someone dumb - and to be fair I'm not saying he is dumb - no doubt the person is smarter then I in general just tired of people who wont argue with valid points and meaningful statements and resort to broad statements. Saying it doesn't catch fish for you is not going to advance your point of view - Add value or add nothing. Could you image standing Infront of a bunch of super smart biologist who want data and valid statistics, who want to have a meaningful debate and saying well it doesn't catch em for you? How is that going to advance the pro FFS stance or add any value to a meaningful debate
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 01:56 PM
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Shane, If I shot at all the big bucks I’ve seen recreationally spotlighting in the Midwest I would be keeping the taxidermist much busier, that’s for sure. It wouldn’t be challenging to shoot a deer like that.
There is no doubt FFS is impacting panfish populations, and the only thing most states will be willing to do is lower the daily limits. Once the fish are gone, the anglers will be gone, along with the FFS they were using.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 04:12 PM
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Clearly more crappie are being caught with a scope. But is it hurting the fisheries? I’m not seeing it. I can go catch a limit today. I wouldn’t worry about it with largemouth. It’s to difficult to target them and not many are proficient with it.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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Only thing that's surprising is that it's Mississippi, a southern state... Woulda thought it would be Minnesota, Mishitgan or New York... Coming to a state near you... Once one does it most states will follow... Dan
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 06:01 PM
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It's all fun and games until they don't just stop at FFS. It's hard for me to applaud more government regulation.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 06:12 PM
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It's all fun and games until they don't just stop at FFS. It's hard for me to applaud more government regulation. Mark, what do you mean by that? Aren’t they just adjusting creel limits? Happens all the time.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 06:18 PM
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It's all fun and games until they don't just stop at FFS. It's hard for me to applaud more government regulation. Mark, what do you mean by that? Aren’t they just adjusting creel limits? Happens all the time. My comments are pretty straightforward. I think a lot of people that don't or haven't used FFS think it's a lot easier than it really is. I think the amount of people that are as good as the top FFS pros are with it is extremely small. I think FFS has become a convenient boogeyman for a lot of people. I don't like to see more government regulation in general. That's just my take. I'm not trying to convince anyone else.
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Re: Smaller limits - it's happening
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06/24/24 06:21 PM
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Clearly more crappie are being caught with a scope. But is it hurting the fisheries? I’m not seeing it. I can go catch a limit today. I wouldn’t worry about it with largemouth. It’s to difficult to target them and not many are proficient with it. I don't know anyone that keeps bass, except the folks that live on TB, so I don't see the argument that FFS is hurting the largemouth population. However, it may be affecting their habits and movement. I can see the crappie argument, to a point, but most of the guys I know were going to catch a limit most of the time anyway. The biggest difference is that now it only takes them a couple of hours. i also have heard several biologists say that crappie are such prolific breeders that they didn't have the data to show it has affected overall population. They did agree that it is impacting the large crappie since that is what most target.
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