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Are lithium trolling motor batteries really worth the high cost? I understand I would need a special charger as well. Really struggling with the $6-900 cost.


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Worth every penny. Don't recall anyone on here ever saying "Gee I wish I stayed with my old lead acids".

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You can always buy budget lithium, just have to know that it might be harder to get the warranty swap if required.

Whole bunch of budget lithiums that get pretty good reviews.



Edit: they don’t do anything magical, I never had any issues with Walmart everstarts, I usually got at least 3 years out of them. I just wanted lighter batteries. As long as I can afford lithiums though, I’ll buy them. Zero gassing, light weight and no corrosion are my reasons.

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Depends on what size you need. There are some good options out there that dont touch 600-900 bucks.

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Nice to have. A few good features.

Are they worth the money? I have them in the Skeeter, but I doubt it was a good investment. I needed batteries, and was flush with cash, so I bought 4 - Ionics.

They charge fast, but that never was an issue with the old batteries. My NOCO worked with the lithiums.
Seem to hold up well, but as long as I charged after use, never was an issue. Could fish hard all day on the old ones.
Significantly lighter. Have no ideas how, or if, that impacted boat speed. I can run as fast as I want. Always have.
Blue tooth monitoring. Don't know how I fished 70 years without. 21st century Gee Whiz.
Maintenance free is nice, but 5 minutes a month to check the water isn't worth a lot, but my Skeeter is a PITA to access the batteries, so I like no maint.
They do add some good resale value to your boat, if of value.

If they last like they are supposed to, a definite positive. I'm 77. The Ionics should last as long as me, but if I need to replace, I can. I had to get my grandson to pull the old lead/acids out when I put the Ionics in.

Like grout-scout, I've always run the Everstart's, after the Interstates that have come in my boats [censored] out.

My straight answer: No, they are not worth it if you have to pay for them. I'm relatively affluent, and had just bought HB Mega 360, Mega Live, Target Lock, so what's another few thousand.

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12v 50ah only way 14 pounds , and Maintenance free > yes



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financed mine thru affirm on the ionic site, made it not seem so bad lol.

3 50ah, 1 125ah start.

not the least bit sorry I got them.


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Y’all are about to convince me. I have an 80lb 24v Minn Kota Riptide do I just need one 24v 100 amp hour battery and an onboard charger for lithium batteries?


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Originally Posted by MCIPinkie
Nice to have. A few good features.

Are they worth the money? I have them in the Skeeter, but I doubt it was a good investment. I needed batteries, and was flush with cash, so I bought 4 - Ionics.

They charge fast, but that never was an issue with the old batteries. My NOCO worked with the lithiums.
Seem to hold up well, but as long as I charged after use, never was an issue. Could fish hard all day on the old ones.
Significantly lighter. Have no ideas how, or if, that impacted boat speed. I can run as fast as I want. Always have.
Blue tooth monitoring. Don't know how I fished 70 years without. 21st century Gee Whiz.
Maintenance free is nice, but 5 minutes a month to check the water isn't worth a lot, but my Skeeter is a PITA to access the batteries, so I like no maint.
They do add some good resale value to your boat, if of value.

If they last like they are supposed to, a definite positive. I'm 77. The Ionics should last as long as me, but if I need to replace, I can. I had to get my grandson to pull the old lead/acids out when I put the Ionics in.

Like grout-scout, I've always run the Everstart's, after the Interstates that have come in my boats [censored] out.

My straight answer: No, they are not worth it if you have to pay for them. I'm relatively affluent, and had just bought HB Mega 360, Mega Live, Target Lock, so what's another few thousand.



“Affluent “. Haha.

I got all of my Ionics AND THE CHARGER for $230 LESS than the Optima batteries that I took of the boat.

You ain’t gotta be a flush king dingaling to afford batteries. Haha.


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Originally Posted by Phantom Fisherman
Y’all are about to convince me. I have an 80lb 24v Minn Kota Riptide do I just need one 24v 100 amp hour battery and an onboard charger for lithium batteries?



24v 100Ah is the equivalent usable energy as -four- typical lead-acid deep cycle batteries. That should cover it.

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Y’all are about to convince me. I have an 80lb 24v Minn Kota Riptide do I just need one 24v 100 amp hour battery and an onboard charger for lithium batteries?

Do you have to have a 24 v charger for this ? , that's why i bought two 12V 50Ah and a 3 bank Ionic charger.



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Y’all are about to convince me. I have an 80lb 24v Minn Kota Riptide do I just need one 24v 100 amp hour battery and an onboard charger for lithium batteries?

Do you have to have a 24 v charger for this ? , that's why i bought two 12V 50Ah and a 3 bank Ionic charger.



Yes, a 24v or 36v battery requires a unique 24v or 36v charger.

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That was my deterrent for a 24v/36v. If the charger happens to break/mess up, you’re not running down to Walmart to get one.

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It's not just the charger. If 24 or 36 volt battery goes down, you aren't going to WM to buy one.

I went with 3 - 12v for my Skeeter.

Way to go IMHO !

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I know we are talking about using these batteries for the trolling motor, but I was wondering if the charging system on an outboard would charge these types of batteries or ruin them since it is not a lithium type charging system. Was going to get one for the outboard as well and was just wondering.

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Originally Posted by justchillin
I know we are talking about using these batteries for the trolling motor, but I was wondering if the charging system on an outboard would charge these types of batteries or ruin them since it is not a lithium type charging system. Was going to get one for the outboard as well and was just wondering.


If you get one designed as a cranking battery with a quality BMS such as the Ionic 125 you’ll be fine. Outboard charging systems put out more than enough volts to charge them.

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Originally Posted by justchillin
I know we are talking about using these batteries for the trolling motor, but I was wondering if the charging system on an outboard would charge these types of batteries or ruin them since it is not a lithium type charging system. Was going to get one for the outboard as well and was just wondering.



Ok, so don’t take this as gospel or me knowing anything about motors/charging system. My motor is 2005 with 700 hours, so it’s seen some days of use and sitting. I have an ionic 125 and a Napa 7234 that I’ll switch around with my motor, experimenting so to say. Odd enough, my motor actually runs better (idles better) with the ionic. It wants to stall out a lot when on the 7234 battery. My pea brain is thinking that the fuel pump might like the extra voltage that it’s receiving.

I did have my alternator go out though, I don’t know if it would have gone out anyway or if the higher voltage from the lithium contributed. Haven’t had a chance to really run the boat since replacing the alternator.

I like having the lithium and will probably purchase another when my 7234 napa dies. Have duals back there for graphs and cranking.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
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I know we are talking about using these batteries for the trolling motor, but I was wondering if the charging system on an outboard would charge these types of batteries or ruin them since it is not a lithium type charging system. Was going to get one for the outboard as well and was just wondering.



Ok, so don’t take this as gospel or me knowing anything about motors/charging system. My motor is 2005 with 700 hours, so it’s seen some days of use and sitting. I have an ionic 125 and a Napa 7234 that I’ll switch around with my motor, experimenting so to say. Odd enough, my motor actually runs better (idles better) with the ionic. It wants to stall out a lot when on the 7234 battery. My pea brain is thinking that the fuel pump might like the extra voltage that it’s receiving.

I did have my alternator go out though, I don’t know if it would have gone out anyway or if the higher voltage from the lithium contributed. Haven’t had a chance to really run the boat since replacing the alternator.

I like having the lithium and will probably purchase another when my 7234 napa dies. Have duals back there for graphs and cranking.


alternator is output only, the lithium didn't have a thing to do with it going out. jmo
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the main advantage with lithium is the voltage remains the same all the way to dead, lead/acid lose voltage/amperage as they discharge.

li-ion is worth it imo.


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the main advantage with lithium is the voltage remains the same all the way to dead, lead/acid lose voltage/amperage as they discharge.

li-ion is worth it imo.


The low internal resistance / high C-rates of a LiFePO4 battery can certainly accelerate the wear on an alternator. Not saying that's the root cause, but it wouldn't be the first one.

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The Deep Cycle or Iron Phosphate Lithium battery will work on most engine alternators. There is some very cheap but good batterys called Chins buy direct or from Amazon you can get a 12v 100ah deep cycle for $335 I have a friend who has 3 of them for his Ghost and they been working flawlessly for 2 yrs now. The one I like is the Ionics even there refurbs on Ebay Store .


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Wow. Those 12v 100ah batteries have really dropped in price. Three years ago, I paid $650. And I would do it all over again. I put in 8 hours use with mine. I have never ran them down to zero. I don't even keep an anchor in my boat any more.


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Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


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Originally Posted by Stump jumper
Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.



I have 3 ionic 50ah/force tm, 125ah start/electronics, minnkota 440 pc (pre pcl) that charges with the agm mode. over 2 yrs now and no problem whatsoever.

I recommend the ionics, lots of dealers now, bluetooth is super simple and great for status of charge, just be sure if you do a start battery that it is rated for it.

check with tommy at rockwall marine, I know for a fact that sartin marine at fork carries them.



footnote: due to circumstances beyond my control I have not been out in the boat but once since the upgrade, the no maintenance alone has been worth it. grin

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Originally Posted by Stump jumper
Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


10amps for anything over 50ah. Our #1 charger is the Noco genpro and the Minn kota pcl is great too. We had some issues with all of our 4 bank chargers this summer and should be fixed now (like to be up front and honest). Happy to help get ya fixed up when youre ready 🍻

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Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


10amps for anything over 50ah. Our #1 charger is the Noco genpro and the Minn kota pcl is great too. We had some issues with all of our 4 bank chargers this summer and should be fixed now (like to be up front and honest). Happy to help get ya fixed up when youre ready 🍻

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3 banks. 24v TM with AGM for cranking battery. I am not concerned with charging time. Any reason other then that to get a 10A?


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Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


10amps for anything over 50ah. Our #1 charger is the Noco genpro and the Minn kota pcl is great too. We had some issues with all of our 4 bank chargers this summer and should be fixed now (like to be up front and honest). Happy to help get ya fixed up when youre ready 🍻

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3 banks. 24v TM with AGM for cranking battery. I am not concerned with charging time. Any reason other then that to get a 10A?



If the price is close, always get the bigger. You might not need faster now, but you might sometime.

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Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


10amps for anything over 50ah. Our #1 charger is the Noco genpro and the Minn kota pcl is great too. We had some issues with all of our 4 bank chargers this summer and should be fixed now (like to be up front and honest). Happy to help get ya fixed up when youre ready 🍻

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3 banks. 24v TM with AGM for cranking battery. I am not concerned with charging time. Any reason other then that to get a 10A?


LiFePO4 tend to prefer higher charge rates, especially as you go up in size. The rule of thumb for ideal charge rate is 0.2C. So if you have a 100Ah battery, 100Ah x 0.2 = 20a charge rate. 10a will work fine, 5a is a bit on the low side.

Will it work? Yes.
Is it the recommended charge rate? It's not ideal.

If the price point is a hang-up, I've been using this "off brand" 10a charger with no problems. Charges my lithium and lead-acid or AGM battery. 3-bank, less than $200. (ad) https://amzn.to/49OmMCZ

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It's not just the charger. If 24 or 36 volt battery goes down, you aren't going to WM to buy one.

I went with 3 - 12v for my Skeeter.

Way to go IMHO !


One more thing.... If your starting battery goes kaput, you can't jump it off with a 24v battery. Go with 2 12volts.

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Something else to consider. If you have a brushless trolling motor, they all work as a 24 or 36v. With 3 12's if one takes a dump you can switch over until you get a replacement. With a single 24 or 36 battery you're suck until you get a replacement.

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Switching TM batteries to Lithium this spring. Which charger is best? MinnKota or Noco? I am on the fence between 5a or 10a. For the most part I only fish mornings and charge overnight.


10amps for anything over 50ah. Our #1 charger is the Noco genpro and the Minn kota pcl is great too. We had some issues with all of our 4 bank chargers this summer and should be fixed now (like to be up front and honest). Happy to help get ya fixed up when youre ready 🍻

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3 banks. 24v TM with AGM for cranking battery. I am not concerned with charging time. Any reason other then that to get a 10A?


LiFePO4 tend to prefer higher charge rates, especially as you go up in size. The rule of thumb for ideal charge rate is 0.2C. So if you have a 100Ah battery, 100Ah x 0.2 = 20a charge rate. 10a will work fine, 5a is a bit on the low side.

Will it work? Yes.
Is it the recommended charge rate? It's not ideal.

If the price point is a hang-up, I've been using this "off brand" 10a charger with no problems. Charges my lithium and lead-acid or AGM battery. 3-bank, less than $200. (ad) https://amzn.to/49OmMCZ

https://youtu.be/eJDDVWlxIm8


Price point is not really a hang-up. Just don't want to spend extra $$s if not needed. In this case looks like I need the high capacity charger for more then just the shorter charging time.


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