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Re: UAW strike
[Re: tmd11111]
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09/16/23 09:50 PM
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Notaguide
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Ever notice the same employee who complain about the business making a lot and the employees should get more never want to give back when a a business loses? What the USW gave back during was forced on them due to economic conditions. Either that or they lost jobs.
The UAW made concessions back in 2008 when the automakers were getting bailed out by the gov't. The UAW never got any of those concessions back, despite the Big 3 making record profits during the last decade. That's part of the reason they are striking. When the auto makers filed bankruptcy the collective bargaining agreements with the UAW could have been voided. They made concessions to keep from absolving the union. I haven’t looked so feel free to prove me wrong. I’d be willing to place a large wager that their concessions were at minimum 3 times the average blue collar salary.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/16/23 09:54 PM
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Notaguide
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Also we have been raising interest rates and slowing the economy purposely. What better way to put a nail in JB’s coffin than by losing billions
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Notaguide]
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09/16/23 10:01 PM
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tmd11111
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Ever notice the same employee who complain about the business making a lot and the employees should get more never want to give back when a a business loses? What the USW gave back during was forced on them due to economic conditions. Either that or they lost jobs.
The UAW made concessions back in 2008 when the automakers were getting bailed out by the gov't. The UAW never got any of those concessions back, despite the Big 3 making record profits during the last decade. That's part of the reason they are striking. When the auto makers filed bankruptcy the collective bargaining agreements with the UAW could have been voided. They made concessions to keep from absolving the union. I haven’t looked so feel free to prove me wrong. I’d be willing to place a large wager that their concessions were at minimum 3 times the average blue collar salary. Nothing but ambition stopping them from getting an education and changing the color of their collar
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: tmd11111]
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09/16/23 10:25 PM
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hopalong
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Ever notice the same employee who complain about the business making a lot and the employees should get more never want to give back when a a business loses? What the USW gave back during was forced on them due to economic conditions. Either that or they lost jobs.
The UAW made concessions back in 2008 when the automakers were getting bailed out by the gov't. The UAW never got any of those concessions back, despite the Big 3 making record profits during the last decade. That's part of the reason they are striking. When the auto makers filed bankruptcy the collective bargaining agreements with the UAW could have been voided. They made concessions to keep from absolving the union. the govt. and uaw ended up owning gm for the most part, right after obie canceled stock ownership (fo da chillun). like said, no gm/no union, union won imo. and we all got screwed when the payback came, fact, taxpayers lost a lot of money due to the "big 3" and their ineptitude, gm even felt the need to lie about paying back their loan. and still, here we are as joe/joelene schmoe paying thru the nose supporting them and the stupid high prices for vehicles now. here is just one of the "deals", show me where the union conceded a thing to help the business, just one thing. https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/gmuaw.pdfno sympathy for either side.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/16/23 10:27 PM
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hopalong
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Like any public company with a stock offering, General Motors is owned by shareholders. In the past, the U.S. government was a majority shareholder in the company (after the 2008 bailouts). However, in 2010 GM broke free from the government's yoke and was reborn in its current incarnation.May 31, 2020 https://www.carlblackoforlando.com/blog/who-owns-general-motorslets not even start on what was done to dealers/business owners, instant out of business due to gm shutting down production on some lines like pontiac.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: outfishdya]
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09/17/23 01:55 AM
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grandbassslayer
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Businesses see their employees as necessary to run a business which they started to make a profit. They want ROI on the investment they make on employees. Few businesses were started to make money for the employees rather than the business.
Ever notice the same employee who complain about the business making a lot and the employees should get more never want to give back when a a business loses? What the USW gave back during was forced on them due to economic conditions. Either that or they lost jobs.
Employ aren’t taking business risk. They can choose who they work for or who they won’t work for.
Employees risk ther lives and their families, the also give back 70% of their days and family time. This is ridiculous. Anyone who has spent time unemployed while attempting to find a job understands this. Job hopping once made a person unhireable, now it is considered to right way to do it. Risk their lives? You guys cannot come up with a reasonable answer for anything.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/17/23 02:39 AM
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For me it’s kind of like watching republicans and democrats fight, you just want them both to lose so we come up with something better. At one point in my life I would have agreed with you but the heads of major corporations (for the most part) are nothing more than checked boxes and the employees are the ones that have kept these businesses successful. Tell me I’m wrong again 
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/18/23 07:46 PM
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JWfish
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I am having a real hard time having compassion for their Union demands. There are millions of other workers across the country treated far less favorably that don’t have a Union. The company I work for does not ever give cost of living raises, not even before Covid. Wages are no longer paid at a living wage.They are scraping the bottom of the labor pool to hire anyone that walks thru the door. Quality has suffered so bad, they cut production hours even for the long time employees tha care about their job. Compared to a lot of workers, I think the UAW members are being treated well.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/18/23 07:48 PM
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Notaguide
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JWfish, it’s real hard to have compassion for most people theses days
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: ReelBusy]
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09/18/23 08:06 PM
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gander
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Ever notice the same employee who complain about the business making a lot and the employees should get more never want to give back when a a business loses? What the USW gave back during was forced on them due to economic conditions. Either that or they lost jobs.
The UAW made concessions back in 2008 when the automakers were getting bailed out by the gov't. The UAW never got any of those concessions back, despite the Big 3 making record profits during the last decade. That's part of the reason they are striking. When the auto makers filed bankruptcy the collective bargaining agreements with the UAW could have been voided. They made concessions to keep from absolving the union. Bailed out by the taxpayers... Unions are outdated parasites, just like Democrats. Indeed
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Notaguide]
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09/18/23 09:03 PM
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grandbassslayer
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For me it’s kind of like watching republicans and democrats fight, you just want them both to lose so we come up with something better. At one point in my life I would have agreed with you but the heads of major corporations (for the most part) are nothing more than checked boxes and the employees are the ones that have kept these businesses successful. Tell me I’m wrong again  You are wrong- Barra is waay overpaid- and the union rationale is she is overpaid- we should be overpaid also, that’s not a good argument.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: Notaguide]
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09/18/23 09:08 PM
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Allison1
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For me it’s kind of like watching republicans and democrats fight, you just want them both to lose so we come up with something better. At one point in my life I would have agreed with you but the heads of major corporations (for the most part) are nothing more than checked boxes and the employees are the ones that have kept these businesses successful. Tell me I’m wrong again  You are wrong again.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: JWfish]
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09/18/23 09:11 PM
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Allison1
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I am having a real hard time having compassion for their Union demands. There are millions of other workers across the country treated far less favorably that don’t have a Union. The company I work for does not ever give cost of living raises, not even before Covid. Wages are no longer paid at a living wage.They are scraping the bottom of the labor pool to hire anyone that walks thru the door. Quality has suffered so bad, they cut production hours even for the long time employees tha care about their job. Compared to a lot of workers, I think the UAW members are being treated well. A lot of their subcontractors are paid a lot less than they pay their employees. We had one just next to us in Arlington and they were paid good, just not GM or any other car manufacturer level of good.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: JWfish]
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09/18/23 09:18 PM
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MBradford
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I am having a real hard time having compassion for their Union demands. There are millions of other workers across the country treated far less favorably that don’t have a Union. The company I work for does not ever give cost of living raises, not even before Covid. Wages are no longer paid at a living wage.They are scraping the bottom of the labor pool to hire anyone that walks thru the door. Quality has suffered so bad, they cut production hours even for the long time employees tha care about their job. Compared to a lot of workers, I think the UAW members are being treated well. I've read on the TFF several times that if the union workers don't like their wages they should go find better paying jobs. Sounds like you should do the same.
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Re: UAW strike
[Re: MBradford]
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09/18/23 09:59 PM
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grandbassslayer
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I am having a real hard time having compassion for their Union demands. There are millions of other workers across the country treated far less favorably that don’t have a Union. The company I work for does not ever give cost of living raises, not even before Covid. Wages are no longer paid at a living wage.They are scraping the bottom of the labor pool to hire anyone that walks thru the door. Quality has suffered so bad, they cut production hours even for the long time employees tha care about their job. Compared to a lot of workers, I think the UAW members are being treated well. I've read on the TFF several times that if the union workers don't like their wages they should go find better paying jobs. Sounds like you should do the same. How far out in the lot do your union brothers make you park that truck?
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