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Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Mark Perry] #14835971 09/12/23 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Why the rush to have the Championship so quick? Why not let water temps drop a bit first?

Good question. Maybe someone from BBF will come on here and answer that. They also fished Toledo Bend in July and I saw several reports of dead fish there also.


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Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Brent S] #14836046 09/12/23 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brent S
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Why the rush to have the Championship so quick? Why not let water temps drop a bit first?


+1. I was thinking maybe they would have done that for next year but its in July.



I would think turnout would be better when it's not a blast furnace as well.


I know it's hard to please everyone but I don't understand why tournaments are held tge first 3 weeks of January or in July, August and first couple weeks of September.

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Mark Perry] #14836113 09/12/23 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
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Why the rush to have the Championship so quick? Why not let water temps drop a bit first?


+1. I was thinking maybe they would have done that for next year but its in July.



I would think turnout would be better when it's not a blast furnace as well.


I know it's hard to please everyone but I don't understand why tournaments are held tge first 3 weeks of January or in July, August and first couple weeks of September.


It can be 100 at Choke at Thanksgiving, lol


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Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Douglas J] #14836134 09/12/23 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Douglas J
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Why the rush to have the Championship so quick? Why not let water temps drop a bit first?


+1. I was thinking maybe they would have done that for next year but its in July.



I would think turnout would be better when it's not a blast furnace as well.


I know it's hard to please everyone but I don't understand why tournaments are held tge first 3 weeks of January or in July, August and first couple weeks of September.


It can be 100 at Choke at Thanksgiving, lol



Water temps?




On a serious note has it ever even reached 100 degrees anywhere in Texas on Thanksgiving?

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Tx Tree Grower] #14836174 09/12/23 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tx Tree Grower
The reality is that this happens more than we would like to admit. Most tournament trails have figured out that a "live release tank" is worth the money. I'm not sure it saves many fish, but it certainly allows the tournament trail to cull out the dead fish and dispose of them in a way that hides the death loss. I do think live release tanks help some. Especially if the guy running it knows how to properly fizz fish. But the main goal of them is to negate bad press.

I love tournament fishing, but the longer I am around it the more convinced I am that a small portion of the entry fees at every tournament need to go back to purchasing additional bass to be stocked to offset the death loss for each tournament. I'm not sure how the logistics would work, but it is something we need to figure out. Retail prices for certified Florida largemouth fingerlings from an independent hatchery are around $1 each ( can purchase for way less with some numbers and negotiation). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask tournament trails to, at minimum, purchase a bass for every one that is lost. Obviously the biologist from TPWD would have to be involved, but it seems like a reasonable ask to me.



THIS. Tournaments have basically RUINED ray Roberts. How tournament directors are able to profit off of a state resource they are hurting without having to pay anything has always blown my mind and YES I fish tournaments so yes I know I am part of the problem.

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Barrett] #14836192 09/12/23 07:49 PM
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The reality is that this happens more than we would like to admit. Most tournament trails have figured out that a "live release tank" is worth the money. I'm not sure it saves many fish, but it certainly allows the tournament trail to cull out the dead fish and dispose of them in a way that hides the death loss. I do think live release tanks help some. Especially if the guy running it knows how to properly fizz fish. But the main goal of them is to negate bad press.

I love tournament fishing, but the longer I am around it the more convinced I am that a small portion of the entry fees at every tournament need to go back to purchasing additional bass to be stocked to offset the death loss for each tournament. I'm not sure how the logistics would work, but it is something we need to figure out. Retail prices for certified Florida largemouth fingerlings from an independent hatchery are around $1 each ( can purchase for way less with some numbers and negotiation). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask tournament trails to, at minimum, purchase a bass for every one that is lost. Obviously the biologist from TPWD would have to be involved, but it seems like a reasonable ask to me.



THIS. Tournaments have basically RUINED ray Roberts. How tournament directors are able to profit off of a state resource they are hurting without having to pay anything has always blown my mind and YES I fish tournaments so yes I know I am part of the problem.


Tournaments in Texas have really hurt the bite on most of the bigger lakes. The high school deal really overcrowded many lakes. 200+ teams sticking fish for weeks in practice and then on tourney days. Only a few lakes in Texas big enough to absorb the pressure due to mass size.

The good news is there are a lot of little hidden gems across the state


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Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: grout-scout] #14836230 09/12/23 08:20 PM
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I want to make it very clear that I absolutely do not favor restricting access to our lakes. There is more we can do in the area of fishery management, but we as tournament fishermen have to be willing to invest in the resource.

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: grout-scout] #14836335 09/12/23 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Dear Brandon Belt tournament series, feel free to NEVER come back to Choke! This is what they, the tournament trailer, dumped into the lake.

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Saving crappie one bass tournament at a time!!! dance2

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Slewfoot] #14836358 09/12/23 10:33 PM
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Saving crappie one bass tournament at a time!!! dance2



Oh no, we have a crappie guide there, that does all of that killing. At least the crappie seem to be plentiful.

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: grout-scout] #14836393 09/12/23 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
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Saving crappie one bass tournament at a time!!! dance2



Oh no, we have a crappie guide there, that does all of that killing. At least the crappie seem to be plentiful.


Ol C&C, if it hits the deck, catch and release to da grease.

Crappie on Choke is a whole other topic, not what it was just a couple years ago. For size anyway.

Re: Brandon Belt championship [Re: Barrett] #14836401 09/12/23 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrett
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The reality is that this happens more than we would like to admit. Most tournament trails have figured out that a "live release tank" is worth the money. I'm not sure it saves many fish, but it certainly allows the tournament trail to cull out the dead fish and dispose of them in a way that hides the death loss. I do think live release tanks help some. Especially if the guy running it knows how to properly fizz fish. But the main goal of them is to negate bad press.

I love tournament fishing, but the longer I am around it the more convinced I am that a small portion of the entry fees at every tournament need to go back to purchasing additional bass to be stocked to offset the death loss for each tournament. I'm not sure how the logistics would work, but it is something we need to figure out. Retail prices for certified Florida largemouth fingerlings from an independent hatchery are around $1 each ( can purchase for way less with some numbers and negotiation). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask tournament trails to, at minimum, purchase a bass for every one that is lost. Obviously the biologist from TPWD would have to be involved, but it seems like a reasonable ask to me.



THIS. Tournaments have basically RUINED ray Roberts. How tournament directors are able to profit off of a state resource they are hurting without having to pay anything has always blown my mind and YES I fish tournaments so yes I know I am part of the problem.

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The reality is that this happens more than we would like to admit. Most tournament trails have figured out that a "live release tank" is worth the money. I'm not sure it saves many fish, but it certainly allows the tournament trail to cull out the dead fish and dispose of them in a way that hides the death loss. I do think live release tanks help some. Especially if the guy running it knows how to properly fizz fish. But the main goal of them is to negate bad press.

I love tournament fishing, but the longer I am around it the more convinced I am that a small portion of the entry fees at every tournament need to go back to purchasing additional bass to be stocked to offset the death loss for each tournament. I'm not sure how the logistics would work, but it is something we need to figure out. Retail prices for certified Florida largemouth fingerlings from an independent hatchery are around $1 each ( can purchase for way less with some numbers and negotiation). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask tournament trails to, at minimum, purchase a bass for every one that is lost. Obviously the biologist from TPWD would have to be involved, but it seems like a reasonable ask to me.



THIS. Tournaments have basically RUINED ray Roberts. How tournament directors are able to profit off of a state resource they are hurting without having to pay anything has always blown my mind and YES I fish tournaments so yes I know I am part of the problem.


I total agree with that statement! 200+ boat tournaments, back-to-back to back. Then loading all the fish up in a large tank, only to send them down the poop pipe in the far back of the Marina is totally insane! We are killing the resource we love so much.

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Originally Posted by JCHANDLER
[quote=Barrett][quote=Tx Tree Grower]The reality is that this happens more than we would like to admit. Most tournament trails have figured out that a "live release tank" is worth the money. I'm not sure it saves many fish, but it certainly allows the tournament trail to cull out the dead fish and dispose of them in a way that hides the death loss. I do think live release tanks help some. Especially if the guy running it knows how to properly fizz fish. But the main goal of them is to negate bad press.

I love tournament fishing, but the longer I am around it the more convinced I am that a small portion of the entry fees at every tournament need to go back to purchasing additional bass to be stocked to offset the death loss for each tournament. I'm not sure how the logistics would work, but it is something we need to figure out. Retail prices for certified Florida largemouth fingerlings from an independent hatchery are around $1 each ( can purchase for way less with some numbers and negotiation). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask tournament trails to, at minimum, purchase a bass for every one that is lost. Obviously the biologist from TPWD would have to be involved, but it seems like a reasonable ask to me.


Everyone is always doom and gloom when fishing gets tough. It’s the Louisiana fish fry’s, it’s TPW spraying the grass, it’s fish kills from summer tournaments, the High School tours are to big, too many tournaments, Yada Yada Yada. And then FFS comes out and every lake we thought was dead, showed out!

Sometimes it’s us that suck and not the fish populations in our lakes. We need to evolve.

No one eats bass in most of our lakes so the effects of tournaments is minimized by that.. We believe in culling deer, elk, ducks, geese, hogs, rabbits, turkeys, etc.. but heaven forbid if some bass die. Bc unlike those other specifies, Bass only lay thousands of eggs annually per fish.

The one thing I concede is that tournament pressure in general makes fishing tougher. But they are still there. Except Ray Bob!!

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Whichever boats threw back dead fish are guilty of wanton waste the same as if they shot a deer or duck and let it lay and rot. If you kill your fish in a tournament at least fillet them and take the meat home or give it to someone. One team can legally keep 10 so do it if they are dead. Good grief!

Stupid laws are made when people refuse to regulate themselves...


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