1 felony and several misdemeanors…….in your honest opinion was that amount of staff and show of force necessary or required?

8-10 vehicles all with 2-3 agents in them long guns at the ready ?

Was he on the plaza where the flash grenades were thrown behind a hundred or more people forcing them to surge forward ?

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

This saying is as tired as haters gonna hate

Waz UP?/?!!!

Liberty safe has no obligation, as a private company, to release master codes.
It is concerning that they have master codes to all of their safes.
I’m guessing that the reason they acquiesced to the demands of the feds is the fact that Liberty safe was recently awarded a lucrative contract with DoD since their safes are the only ones on the market that are EMP rated.

Is there really a difference between the two

LOL

I can only imagine the conversation at Liberty once they received the federal warrant. "Boss, we have federal warrant to release the combo of one of the J-6 defendants. I say [censored] them! I spoke with our attorney, and he said [censored] them too! This is the hill we die on!" or something like that.

They would be in deep stuff if they decided not to give the FBI the combination. The lawyer, if he advised them to break the law could end up losing his law license.

Liberty is owned by a company that tends to lean and donate left.


I know at least one of their competitors builds their safes with no master override code.



I doubt seriously if they said sorry we can't help you that they would be breaking a specific on the books law......maybe some made up bullchit or perverse interpretation of an existing law.

The third party doctrine says you don't have an expectation of privacy when you share your codes. Liberty Safe was required to give them the combination if they had it.

The police do this all the time with internet and phone searches while investigating crimes. What we have here is nothing new or unusual.
What they could do is stop keeping those records and then not be able to supply that information. That IMO is the value in having a safe where you can change codes as you want.

Doctrine ? A directive ? An EO ?



#notareallaw

So now only conservative "felonies" matter to the FBI? Do you actually approve of this administration's use of power and force against its enemies?

Not a legal expert but based on my research...

3rd party Doctrine has been continuously reaffirmed by SCOTUS since the case of Ex Parte Jackson (1878) and United States v Lee (1927) which centered around the privacy of mail. Later cases including Hoffa v United States centered around the admissibility of information voluntarily divulged to informants. Miller v United States was over bank records, Smith v Maryland was about phone records, United States v Jones was GPS tracking data, and the list goes on. The overarching theme is that most information that is shared with/viewable by another person, is not protected by the 4th amendment.
Expectation of Privacy test originated with Katz v United States (1967) and basically says that if a person reasonably believes that something is private AND society would recognize that to be reasonable assumption, it is protected by the 4th amendment.

The question for me is whether or not Liberty disclosed their ability to unlock/reset their electronic safes and the policies that would obligate them to do so. From what I understand (not an expert), most electronic safe manufacturers today engineer override codes into their devices to assist with the common problem of "I forgot my code." If law enforcement has a warrant that allows them to search a safe, they are going to get into it with or without a code.

Just my .

When the FBI raided a telemarketing company in Montgomery, TX they came in with guns drawn and made everyone lay on the floor. Total white-collar crime. Their undercover people had to know there would be no one armed and no resistance.
My neighbor at the lake got raided the same way for failure to withhold employment taxes on his office cleaning employees. It looked like they were arresting a drug cartel.

There were zero flash grenades at the plaza.

False , there were flash/smoke grenades thrown into the crowd. Saw the video from the tower with my own eyes.