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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: rj74955] #14797488 08/02/23 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rj74955
I can’t tell around here that’s it’s changed a thing. Same guys are still catching fish and cashing checks, weights about the same as they’ve always been, amount of fish weighed in about the same. Same people saying they lost a giant at the boat lol.


Do you think that Grand is lacking fish in the 5-6lb range as of late?

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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: OkAce] #14797549 08/02/23 06:32 PM
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I can’t tell around here that’s it’s changed a thing. Same guys are still catching fish and cashing checks, weights about the same as they’ve always been, amount of fish weighed in about the same. Same people saying they lost a giant at the boat lol.


Do you think that Grand is lacking fish in the 5-6lb range as of late?

I wish I knew enough 5-6 lb. locations to be able to test that theory. A couple of those on tournament days have always put you on your way to winning a boat or a bunch of money.

Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: beartrap] #14797770 08/02/23 09:11 PM
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I still hunt the way you describe your used to. If you want to hunt that way you’re welcome to.

Free will what a thing.

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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: beartrap] #14797795 08/02/23 09:24 PM
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"Deer hunting as we knew it growing up has changed drastically", and so has everything else that was a time before you and a time after you're gone!

Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: beartrap] #14797804 08/02/23 09:32 PM
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Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...

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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: H2O Seeker] #14797827 08/02/23 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...


How do you manage a deer heard when neighboring people shoot everything they see?

Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: Txduckhunter] #14797849 08/02/23 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Txduckhunter
I get more enjoyment out of putting in food plots and seeing what comes in much more than shooting a deer. Same thing goes for feeders.
I've seen deer, turkeys, doves and other birds, coons, armadillos, skunks, pigs, bobcats and a score of other animals all utilize food plots.
And all animals are best shot from concealment, gives you time to make an ethical shot for a quick ending. heck, most wildlife photographers will shoot from a "hide".
If that's not your thing, feel free to go Daniel Boone and track em down.

I'm still not sure that FFS is for me but it's certainly not totally off the table. Either way, I'm not going to go hating on the ones that are using it.


Outstanding perspective IMO.


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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: OkAce] #14798148 08/03/23 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OkAce
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Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...


How do you manage a deer heard when neighboring people shoot everything they see?



It takes cooperation by landowners for sure. If said landowners lease their property they should convey the management plan to the leaseholder(s). Violators pay a "trophy fee" for a non shooter buck or a fine for mistakenly harvesting a nubbin thinking it was a doe.


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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: beartrap] #14798365 08/03/23 01:02 PM
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No outside pressure is going to change the way I hunt or the way I fish, which I do it for my own personal enjoyment.
It will never be a level playing field as long as you have people that want to make it a competition and outspend the other guy!


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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: OkAce] #14799214 08/04/23 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by OkAce
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Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...


How do you manage a deer heard when neighboring people shoot everything they see?

High fence it. (Zoo)


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Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: OkAce] #14799228 08/04/23 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OkAce
Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...


How do you manage a deer heard when neighboring people shoot everything they see?


My wife and BIL have a sweet place in the Hill Country that WAS a great deer hunting property until 3 years ago the non hunting neighbor sold out to a guy that put up 10 stands and feeders on 200 acres . 2 were within 20 yards of our fence on the creek that my bow stand is on. Opening day 10 killers unleashed unmitigated he11 on em. It sounds like a shooting range for the first hour of daylight. The second year he called my BIL and invited us over to see all the deer they killed opening morning. The killed 6 bucks between them that were all less than 3 years old and asked if they could go look for 2 more that had jumper the fence onto our place. Not much hunting going on, just bait and kill. Sometimes I wish rifle hunting was illegal like some wish FF sonar was, BUT, it's all legal just like throwing 5 lb LM in the cooler to take home and eat. Hunting and fishing is so much different than it was when I was a young man. I'm just blessed to have enjoyed it in much simpler times. I don't do very well in crowds.


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Depends on whether you are managing a deer herd or simply shooting the 1st thing with 4 legs that walks in. Cameras, food plots, supplemental feeding, and wildlife patterning have been going on for many years. Everything except the cameras have been going on long before I was born and I have been hunting since I could carry my own firearm.

Patterning of fish, reading topography, monitoring weather patterns, etc were done"manually" and those who were more adept were more successful. Same could be said today with both. Just because you have the technology doesn't mean you are adept at implementing it and if you can't interpret weather, wind, natural changes you simply are not a very good outdoors person.

I know many people who have trail cams and they can't tell you what they are looking at half the time...


How do you manage a deer heard when neighboring people shoot everything they see?


My wife and BIL have a sweet place in the Hill Country that WAS a great deer hunting property until 3 years ago the non hunting neighbor sold out to a guy that put up 10 stands and feeders on 200 acres . 2 were within 20 yards of our fence on the creek that my bow stand is on. Opening day 10 killers unleashed unmitigated he11 on em. It sounds like a shooting range for the first hour of daylight. The second year he called my BIL and invited us over to see all the deer they killed opening morning. The killed 6 bucks between them that were all less than 3 years old and asked if they could go look for 2 more that had jumper the fence onto our place. Not much hunting going on, just bait and kill. Sometimes I wish rifle hunting was illegal like some wish FF sonar was, BUT, it's all legal just like throwing 5 lb LM in the cooler to take home and eat. Hunting and fishing is so much different than it was when I was a young man. I'm just blessed to have enjoyed it in much simpler times. I don't do very well in crowds.


That's not hunting, just killing.

Re: is bass fishing and deer hunting headed down same path? [Re: beartrap] #14799260 08/04/23 02:07 AM
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I'll answer this just like I have 23 times before. Until you start targeting bass with a laser sighted .300 Win Mag this comparison is lame.

If you're not going to SHOOT the fish, you still have to get the fish to open its mouth and bite. No matter if you're looking at it on a bed in 2' of water or on a 15" Garmin FFS in 42' of water, you still have to trigger the fish to bite.

I don't have any issues with hunters. I could care less if they crawl on their bellies into the wind 400 yards or shoot it from 10 yards away from their heated blind. It is just a weak analogy.

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People that hide in "shooting" house, hunt over food plots, put out corn feeders, hunt in trees are not deer hunters. They are deer shooters using easy mode. I deer hunt on the ground using a recurve bow. I hunt the natural way by finding sign and knowing what it means. Looking for trails deer are using, then finding the one not so obvious left or right of the main trail the really big buck would be using. Then trying to place myself within 30 yard of that spot. Now if he shows up, I not only have to draw my bow, target and get a good release on him. That is hunting. Everything else is just killing.


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Originally Posted by Rich12
People that hide in "shooting" house, hunt over food plots, put out corn feeders, hunt in trees are not deer hunters. They are deer shooters using easy mode. I deer hunt on the ground using a recurve bow. I hunt the natural way by finding sign and knowing what it means. Looking for trails deer are using, then finding the one not so obvious left or right of the main trail the really big buck would be using. Then trying to place myself within 30 yard of that spot. Now if he shows up, I not only have to draw my bow, target and get a good release on him. That is hunting. Everything else is just killing.


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