I believe that Todd bought the property.... that doesn't seem to be in question.

Its called evidence. What is to believed is the things both say. You can also take note of the things one side says and the other side does not respond to. You have to use common sense.

The common question I ask, because I believe this comes up a lot when people are deflecting, is where do you get your information that you base your opinion on?
I have seen some of us make up stuff that anyone can see to be untrue. Like the land only being worth $2k an acre.
Like someone saying Todd told the state they wanted 50-100 million to walk away from the deal.
The problem with your argument is that you should use that and only speak of stuff you have good reason to believe. I don't see that coming from you.

My last thought, hopefully, in this thread is about eminent domain and why its improper here at least to seize all that land and the lake.

They have the park that has value and they want to keep it. Thats appropriate albeit coming in late like they did was a black eye for the state.
The lake itself and all the other land surrounding the park has no plan for its use. There is no need to take the rest of it if the question is what should they take from a private citizen for the public good. The state controls the water rights and people can fish on the lake, the same as all other lakes. If the lake was totally surrounded by Todds property that would be different.
Why does the state want to take it all? To my knowledge the state has not even started planning for that development.
Where have we ever seen this before? The state is taking land before they have even made plans on what to do with it.

It stinks IMO.

Now everyone be happy. I'll wait till this ends with an agreement of some sort.

The property is or was literally sitting on the Freestone appraisal district at $2000.00 an acre, when super Todd bought. I simply made note of the disparity between the asking price and the listing price. I never made any determination of fair market value, because obviously, if you had any common sense, you would know there are no comparable properties to this, closed or currently on the market. The state is not commenting or responding to Todds silliness, because they basically threw their hands up, or just decided to take it regardless. They are now treating it like the court case it will surely be. If you took the time to research the TPWD committee members that voted for condemnation, you would know that many, if not all, are super wealthy guys that can buy and sell Todd many times over. Buccees is not the richest dude on the board and Todd is not dealing with some bureaucrat, worried about his pension. You and some of your other bloviating sycophants here on TFF, spend way too much time pretending to be Gurus of knowledge, when actually you’re just nitpicking and wasting the time of people that actually work. You guys need to logoff TFF and discover that the internet is 80% porn and relieve some of your sexual frustrations. My common sense tells me, not to get in a gun fight with the state of freaking Texas, or several billionaire friends of Abbott, regardless of how rich you think you are up in the Dallas area. If that doesn’t make any sense to you, I really have nothing else to say.

If Todd gets to keep part of the land will the multi-million dollar homes he sells come with wakeboard boats and Aquathol K to kill all the vegetation included in the price?

The main reason Fairfield has remained a good bass lake is because there aren't lakeside homeowners constantly getting the authorities to kill the grass.

This is just a guess, but I suspect they want it all since it is technically a private lake. If they just took the park and Todd kept the rest, then you open up a potential situation where the state park is there, but Todd essentially says "stay off my lake." Owning it all removes any question that the state owns it and it becomes a public resource. They can plat it later and sell it off with the shoreline (whatever the topo level is) being the property line.

You lie, I lie. I lied that I had made my last post. You lie then double down on it.



You didn't "simply made note of the disparity". You tried to say you had a clue and I believe most lucid people would say by your previous post you set the price around $5k per acre.
You took facts and added your own spin that was nothing but a lie. By the way, not near the only point you seem to have made up.

I could not remember who posted it originally because whoever did said they did this for a living. Whoever knowingly did this and misrepresented the values just made it up. Period. Anyone valuing real estate would know that was ridiculously low.
Someone soon after posted several pictures showing other land in Freestone county and I went and looked too. I found absolutely nothing there to make me believe that the $2k or even $5k was not even in the ballpark.


Don't worry, you're not the only one who's argument is based on lies.


OK. I am done again. I guess to not get drawn back into this thread I will just not read it anymore.

watch out he will get after you with a letter opener

Wow....My post that you are quoting clearly says.....If he continues to threaten the State and in turn pisses off the Freestone County residents, he might end up with a accessed value that is more in line with reality like $5000 an acre. That sentence is implying, that playing chicken with the State is not something a rational person should do....call me crazy!

Allison, you obliviously have a much clearer and insightful understanding of Freestone County and its land values up there in Grand Prairie, than some stupid guy like me, that literally has lake Fairfield in my backyard. What a dumba-s I was, to try and give a little local perspective to the forum and the guys here that actually enjoy lake Fairfield.

From now on I will try to stay in my lane, oh [censored] Freestone is my lane............
I hope one day you will be able to forgive my stupidity.
Please give your friend Todd a big kiss for me and my most sincerest apology.

Lets not do this anymore. IMO you are now tripling down on numbers you admit you made up.
Now you are using your own guesstimate as proof that it may be worth less than what he paid for it.

Todd paid around 90m for it. That is one factor they will use. There are no comps in the area with the lake and improvements. My guess is they won't come to either you or me for that. What we do know is what we've read. I believe the state has said they've put 80m in building the park and improvements over the last 50 years.

Now, show me where he the bad guy. He has retained a lawyer and is claiming the state has not been honest in their talks. Either you know something the rest of us don't or you can't see straight.
Fact is the state has not said a single thing to back up that they responded to his counter offer. They just stopped talking and invoked their right to take. Thats how it works. One side says something and the other side responds, or just quits.



Let me make a final guess. Its going to upwards of 100m or they will agree to a partial split or something like that.
How much is the bet?


10m or even 25m....lol.



Here is my reference to why I think you are wrong. You said so earlier on in this thread.


I think you had it right in the beginning. The state messed up and should pay for it, not the other way around. You've changed.


and the state should pay for their mistake. According to Todd and so far not disputed by the state, Todd offered to sell the contract to the state for $30m instead of the $25 they were offered. If that is true then the state went through all this just because of $5m.

Edit: I said something stupid.

Okay, so I’m obviously not a “Guru” on TFF and suffer from a limited intellect, I’m not understanding your last post?
It seems that you are saying Todd paid 90 million and if the state matches that and writes him a check, in your mind Todd is better off than taking the 25 million to walk away and let the state and Vistra hammer out a deal? While he goes to the bank and onto another development? You’re acting like the state has a mandatory obligation to repay Todd whatever he paid. I’m sorry but if the state decides not to, all the Attorneys in the world won’t make the state do something they don’t want to do.

I am glad to see your light finally came on, to the fact that I might know something that I am unable to post in a public forum. I also speak in generalities for that reason.

Personal question….Did your parents convince you that you are always right? Do you always have to get the last word? Did you always receive a participation trophy? The reason I ask, is because it seems like the most of the people here on TFF kinda figured it out before you did, a few pages back.

That's not how it works. If you own 50,000 acres and build a lake that touches 10 foot of my land. I can launch a boat and fish it. You have to own the land all around it for it to be private

The price for the property has been set, the least amount that Todd would get is what he paid for it, he should get quite a bit more than what he paid for it. The state had the chance to buy it, they did not, you snooze you lose. The only reason I have even participated in this conversation is because I do not think Todd has any fault here, it is 100 % the states fault, now they want to flex their muscles, F them, I would take it all the way to the supreme court if I had to, they are denying a business man the opportunity to develop a pice of property that he bought, only because they received a few hundred emails raising hell with them, the state is going to have a black eye no matter how this turns out, jmho.